RMT are now doing MSQ. 3.0 prep?

Just saw a bunch of RMT popping out of the ground in Waking Sands. Must've been at least 12 of them. They had high level gear. They popped one right after the other from the floor like they were moles jumping up. I did not get a screenshot in time because as soon as I rotated the camera to get all of them in so I could report them, they despawned all at the same time. Are they evolving and now doing MSQ in order to get to 3.0?

Mouthmouth.

Relax. It's for the event tomorrow.

Should have kept Steps the way it was. Would have been harder for them to enter Heavensward.

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Originally Posted by SecretCrowds

Should have kept Steps the way it was. Would have been harder for them to enter Heavensward.

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Sad thing is, I bet the RMT are better players than half the NA playerbase...lol

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Originally Posted by SummerSkye

Sad thing is, I bet the RMT are better players than half the NA playerbase...lol

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100% agree. A lot of folks would be surprised about how effective it can be to bot in some games using effective programs combined with position hacks... not that I uhh... have past experience in other games? Yeah, none of that... *cough*

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

100% agree. A lot of folks would be surprised about how effective it can be to bot in some games using effective programs combined with position hacks... not that I uhh... have past experience in other games? Yeah, none of that... *cough*

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RMT bots underground in the Steps of Faith would be able to kill Vishap pretty easily.

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Originally Posted by SummerSkye

Sad thing is, I bet the RMT are better players than half the NA playerbase...lol

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Sad thing is, people that run RMT, this is literally their jobs. Cant get to new area to sell? Fired. So yes. Theres a pretty good chance that they will be better than some of the player base. You play for fun, they play because it keeps their lights on.

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Originally Posted by Lilyarel

Sad thing is, people that run RMT, this is literally their jobs. Cant get to new area to sell? Fired. So yes. Theres a pretty good chance that they will be better than some of the player base. You play for fun, they play because it keeps their lights on.

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As far as most of the player base is concerned, most of us accept them as an inevitability (this includes the devs). The issue comes when they overstep their grounds. Affecting the legitimate player base to push your wares is bad business for everyone involved. The individuals circumstance matters next to none when it comes to business. If you're committing the wrong, and it is affecting a vast number of people simply because you chose poorly in how you go about doing something "illegal", you will get no sympathy from anyone that is aware of what went on.

Keep in mind that taking part in RMT functions is actually a well paying job in a certain foreign country, and also keep in mind that they are responsible for a large number of hacked accounts and fraudulent charges, which cost SE money to deal with per charge. Not to mention that also affects the person whose fraudulent charges happened to. Credit can be affected, which affects your long term financial management goals. I wouldn't really call their (RMT) situation a sad one.

So this is why SE nerfed SoF.

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Originally Posted by SummerSkye

Sad thing is, I bet the RMT are better players than half the NA playerbase...lol

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I saw this coming, of course, RMT are a "NA" thing, bad players are all from the "NA", all "NA" players have wooden PC's, bad ISP's so on and so forth.

Honestly, it amazes me how such talented oriented professional gamers keep coming up with this junk.

How about reaching a little deeper and finding a little less "sad/better" post to publish.

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Originally Posted by SummerSkye

Sad thing is, I bet the RMT are better players than half the NA playerbase...lol

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Haha, thats funny

but yeah, no

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Originally Posted by Lamentations

I saw this coming, of course, RMT are a "NA" thing.

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Odd. I never said RMT was a "NA" thing. There are just as many RMT on the JP servers as there are on the NA ones, they are just smarter about it there, as they are closer to the "hornet's nest".

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Originally Posted by SummerSkye

Odd. I never said RMT was a "NA" thing. There are just as many RMT on the JP servers as there are on the NA ones, they are just smarter about it there, as they are closer to the "hornet's nest".

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I play on Jpn servers and the last time i got a RMT message was October of last year when ninja released

If I'm correct most of JP's rmt is all on off site third-party forums and the like. Basically the ads at the top or sides of sites and the like. Atleast what I've seen talked about here.

That said the nerf probably is making it easier for them to prepare to get into the new areas, but even without it they'd probably make it based on the positinal hacks and all that...I kinda want to see one in my group one day since I haven't yet, before reporting them of course.

When you say "Waking Sands," do you mean the instanced zone with the Scions? Seeing RMT popping through the floor there would be like seeing them pop up in your Inn room. Or do you mean you saw them out in western thanalan near the waking sands?

Bots have been doing MSQ for a while now. If you can get to the CT quest series, you've got a couple mil in the bank from the Tier IV materia rewards, for example.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

When you say "Waking Sands," do you mean the instanced zone with the Scions? Seeing RMT popping through the floor there would be like seeing them pop up in your Inn room. Or do you mean you saw them out in western thanalan near the waking sands?

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Unless they changed something, waking sands is a phased area, not instanced. It can appear instanced now that most people have moved forward, but back at launch, you never went to see Minfilia without having to cam through 30 other players all grouped in front of her desk.

This game is so scripted about positioning and such that you can probably easily bot it.

I saw them in Gridania too. Bot activity rises again. SE must summon the ban hammer and fast.

It won't matter if they can get into the new expansion content because they write down your name and spam you where ever you are. I get friend requests, and tells from them when I am in any zone. I always see it comes from a lvl 1 character in ul'dah.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

When you say "Waking Sands," do you mean the instanced zone with the Scions? Seeing RMT popping through the floor there would be like seeing them pop up in your Inn room. Or do you mean you saw them out in western thanalan near the waking sands?

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Outside Waking Sands in Western Thanalan. They were targeting Tataru then despawned.

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Originally Posted by Seig345

Unless they changed something, waking sands is a phased area, not instanced. It can appear instanced now that most people have moved forward, but back at launch, you never went to see Minfilia without having to cam through 30 other players all grouped in front of her desk.

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I think they have changed it around 2.1 or 2.2, there is never anyone else at all in there.

I imagine some of the instanced parts of the MSQ might be hard to bot through unless players actually carry a bot through it. Crystalis for example.

Bots can go to Hellsward.

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Originally Posted by Evantide

It won't matter if they can get into the new expansion content because they write down your name and spam you where ever you are. I get friend requests, and tells from them when I am in any zone. I always see it comes from a lvl 1 character in ul'dah.

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do u actually think they are writing down your name? lol. its a program that searches for online players and just messages them one after another like a list

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Originally Posted by Pluvia

I play on Jpn servers and the last time i got a RMT message was October of last year when ninja released

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I think probably the RMT don't want to bother to learn Japanese. English is much easier, and don't need to know much more than a few dumb cookie cutter phrases to get your meaning across (however poorly, but still get the gist).

Also, considering relations in that part of the world and where most of the RMT are supposedly located, them learning Japanese is probably not as cool a thing to do as it would be for people in NA.

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Originally Posted by Evantide

It won't matter if they can get into the new expansion content because they write down your name and spam you where ever you are. I get friend requests, and tells from them when I am in any zone. I always see it comes from a lvl 1 character in ul'dah.

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Oh wow are you ever naive.

Here's what they do:
They do a search (since it tops out at 200) and have separate spammers sending spam to everyone using certain criteria. For example if you are in Limsa, you get spam bots that are using Limsa as their search criteria. If you go to Uldah, you get those bots. They might all still be standing in Uldah. They have no reason to go anywhere else since they cant shout/yell spam.

But people's accounts that are taken over (likely because they bought from RMT's) are the ones that do the shout/yell spam.

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Originally Posted by Evantide

It won't matter if they can get into the new expansion content because.....

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Because that's where all the gil will be made. IF SE still has dungeon monsters dropping gil at level 60, they'll be dropping more gil than level 50 dungeons. The bots that spirit bind all day, will be doing it with the gear from higher level vendors to get grade 5 materia. And if level 51-60 crafting switches over to using Crystals instead of shards (really big if but I'm sure it's on the table), the shard farming bots will make a lot more gil farming those in HW areas. Actually the shard farming bots have it worst of all because they'll need a battle class to clear MSQ to stay lucrative. This could be the complete crash of all things crafting, since shard bots practically support all NA crafters.

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Originally Posted by HaelseMikiro

Because that's where all the gil will be made. IF SE still has dungeon monsters dropping gil at level 60, they'll be dropping more gil than level 50 dungeons. The bots that spirit bind all day, will be doing it with the gear from higher level vendors to get grade 5 materia. And if level 51-60 crafting switches over to using Crystals instead of shards (really big if but I'm sure it's on the table), the shard farming bots will make a lot more gil farming those in HW areas. Actually the shard farming bots have it worst of all because they'll need a battle class to clear MSQ to stay lucrative. This could be the complete crash of all things crafting, since shard bots practically support all NA crafters.

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That is false. Once the bots are cleaned out normal people will farm shards and put it up on the market. Whatever void is put in the game normal people will start farming again and be able to make some gil without someone with 15 bots putting up 200k shards every day.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

For example if you are in Limsa, you get spam bots that are using Limsa as their search criteria. If you go to Uldah, you get those bots. They might all still be standing in Uldah. They have no reason to go anywhere else since they cant shout/yell spam.
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Unfortunately, the same bot in Ul'Dah sends me the tells. It does not matter what city I am in. The problem though is not where they appear to spam you, it is the fact that they do with no consequence.