Average DPS and Healing Based on Item Level

I'm just curious if there's a decent list out there somewhere for what should be considered the "average" a player should be doing at certain item levels, (increments of 10 perhaps?), in terms of certain roles. I tried looking around the internet, and what little information I found was mostly for T6-12 players....

When I say "average", I'm meaning what can generally be expected out of a player. Not the average of an elitist hardcore player who rages if a bard isn't using the exact song they want, but also not the average of a black mage who only uses blizzard either. I'm wanting the middle ground you might see from your standard players who just play to enjoy the game and be around friends. A range, (ex: 200-250), is also acceptable rather than a singular number......

Also, I'm looking to both healing roles and DPS roles on this, just because I want to see how my stats stack up with each class I'm leveling as I'm leveling it, so I know if I need to improve, or if I'm doing well enough to get by.....

It depends not only on gear level, but also on fight you are doing.

Don't discount the sub-stats, either. Determination and Crit can impact your totals almost as much as the difference in main stat between the iL levels. And anyone seriously gearing up will be taking the sub-stats into account every bit as much as they do iL.

Also, you need to define "average" a little bit better. 15% of players or less on each server have cleared Final Coil, so assume we have a 30% hardcore/midcore playerbase. This means the "average" player is a more casual player who most likely does not fully utilize their rotations well and puts out far sub-optimal DPS for their class, and thus would be considered "bad" by efficiency standards, let alone player opinions. Sure, some of the more casual people still learn how to play their job quite well and put up respectable numbers, but this territory of "average player DPS based on class" is just asking for a flame war.

A better question to ask is "What is a DPS range based on ilvl for a competent/decent person to put out on a regular basis?" which is slightly different than the hardcore question of "How much DPS can a class push at certain ilvls?" though one might try and give answers for the latter to the former with black/white justification.

Dunno what website has numbers for healer DPS. I'm sure there are ones out there though. If that's what you're asking for? If you're asking for HPS then I have no numbers for you, because that's imo pointless to track. IMO healers with extremely high HPS tend to be bad, in any MMO. I don't even keep track of EHPS, because my healer partner and I do the exact same thing each pull, once we know what we are doing. If someone makes a mistake or dies, we have how we deal with it already planned. For example, I get first res, I top him off, etc.

I'm always at at least 100 DPS by the end of every coil turn as SCH, according to a raid member. I compete with the tanks DPS, but never beat them out at the end cus of course they're on the boss more. I do the most DPS in t12. I spike around 500 I think it was(I don't remember, but it was pretty up there)? At the start, since I DPS the first and second phase, take care of blackfires by myself and do all blue/redfires. I don't know what people consider me to be, hardcore, midcore, whatever. I'm just throwing out my numbers to try to help.

Edit: I got these numbers before ilv130 BiS...so it was around ilv120-130 non-BiS? The day I got all my BiS we stopped raiding final coil. My groups waiting for the expansion now.

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Originally Posted by Elim

Dunno what website has numbers for healer DPS. I'm sure there are ones out there though. If that's what you're asking for? If you're asking for HPS then I have no numbers for you, because that's imo pointless to track.

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On the healer, I more or less meant what is an average heal at each level....

As for the DPS info you provided, I'd say that' useful for an idea at that item level. I also would consider you in more of the "Hardcore" area since when I'm talking about average, I'm meaning more of the players who run WoD as the highest level raid, and will probably run all the dungeons......

Of the three roles, gear honestly matters the least for healers. Tanks and DPS benefit tremendously from keeping their weapons top of the line; healers can do fine with a weapon that's a bit less, because if you want to be safe, you're overhealing some anyway. What's more important for healers is to know all of the tools they have at their disposal, how to best use them, and pay attention.

If you're just curious how big your heals will be though, then play around with this:
http://valk.dancing-mad.com/calculat...ng-calculator/


For DPS in non-Coils... honestly, people get by fine with 100-200. You have people afk-autoattacking and clearing that way.
And then you have the couple of people doing 400-500 to balance things. Against a single-target, at least. Depending on mob size, and how well they're stacked / how well tanks hold aggro, you can see some AoE classes spike over 1-2k.

Item level is a HORRIBLE way to measure dps firstly. Secondly, some persons opinions may change depending on their battle experience.

There's no such thing as an 'average amount of healing'.

Either people stay alive or they don't.

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Originally Posted by Skeith-Adeline

Item level is a HORRIBLE way to measure dps firstly.

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It really is. I've met equally geared Monks who literally put out less than half the DPS I do. Item level (And also to an extent which pieces at each iLvl) just defines the maximum potential output, not the amount a player's actually capable of outputting.

I can't really offer you numbers, except that 350-400 is the kind of numbers that are generally acceptable to take into final coil (Although you can do higher than that, and that's a good thing if you can).

As for healing? The reality is that actually, huge HPS is actually not a good thing, because in almost every fight in the game that amount of healing means a massive amount of overhealing being done, which is huge amounts of casts and MP being wasted.

No one measures healing over time in this game. I main white mage and have done all kinds of challenge heals like solo heal T10, T9, have healed every fight in the game to completion and can't remember a time where anyone even talked about healing over time. The only thing people care about is whether or not I got the MP to keep healing cuz a white mage overhealing = a white mage standing around with no MP to heal anymore.

My monk does 600-620 DPS typically in most fights and that is considered exceptional DPS. As long as you are getting 500 in FCoB no one is going to say much of anything to you cuz 500+ is considered good and can meet all DPS checks just fine.

But if you're getting 400-450 (or less) in 15-20% echo fights with i130 gear you should read a guide and try to fix your rotation because that means something is very wrong with it. I only mention this echo fight parse because I see it happening way too much and it truly is unacceptable in my opinion but I can't really mention people's numbers because it's against ToS so I need to keep them blissfully unaware of their bad rotations >_>

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Originally Posted by Elusana_Celah

But if you're getting 400-450 (or less) in 15-20% echo fights with i130 gear you should read a guide and try to fix your rotation because that means something is very wrong with it. I only mention this echo fight parse because I see it happening way too much and it truly is unacceptable in my opinion but I can't really mention people's numbers because it's against ToS so I need to keep them blissfully unaware of their bad rotations >_>

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I agree. BLMs in T11 hitting 350 dps, so I'm told, is just... really? I mean, you have your lilith rod zeta and everything lol Honestly though, as long as we are clearing it isn't an issue, just a personal pet peeve.

Average amount of healing or HPS as its called (Heals Per Second) is never going to be an average, its all differentiated between mitigation, cooldowns, fluctuated numbers and so forth, as well as the other counterpart of overhealing which is also a very meh calculation due to regeneration ticks, clipping targets who dont need hp such as a cure III etc.

Average DPS also fluctuates between roles and the fight, if a fight involves a lot of movement, e.g: t11, then casters are gonna lack considerably more than melee, if a fight involves static mechanics such as titans goals where the target is basically locked, then that will also affect dps, on average for most fights in the game people who know their role could easily pull 400 at the current item level of gear being i130. anything below 400 then something is wrong in my honest opinion. at a push of a leway mark id say anything from 370+. and thats before echo, theres not a 15% buff to everyone, so these numbers should be heavily exceeded.

but remember deaths effect everything etc.

For a BLM in Final Coil, if you're doing over 500, you're doing something right. If you're doing under 400, you're doing something wrong. This is in i130 gear of course.

It would be really hard to list this for all classes as there are so many variables outside of ilvl (fights setup, roles in fight, rotations, errors, deaths, limit breaks, latency, weapon damage, number of targets, team buffs, food, etc.).

For a Ninja specifically (assuming you have some basic knowledge and concept of your general rotation/priorities and understand dps mechanics) at ilvl 130 you should be pushing at around 500 and with i110 about 400. These are extremely generalized numbers however and mileage can vary substantially but these numbers can be hit with mistakes. As for the "average" ninja I'd say the number is probably less than that but all things considered I don't think the "average" player is concerned with dps numbers or min/maxing in that realm. Hitting the above numbers will put you above the average ninja player from my experience as far as damage output is concerned but it should be noted that the max potential dps at the mentioned item levels is a quite a bit higher. I think it's necessary to point out that not hitting the above numbers in no way makes you a bad player. This game is rewarding for those willing to practice and get better and as you learn and understand the classes you will be able to push higher numbers so don't be discouraged if you just hit 50, grabbed some soldiery gear/weapon and aren't pulling those numbers right out of the gate. If you are willing to practice and assess your mistakes however they are very realistic numbers to hit.

That being said if you are doing below 300 with a ninja at ilvl110 or higher you are doing something very wrong.
I would also highly advise against macroing your mudras of combos if you are serious about maximizing damage.