Vote kick whole alliance wide, please.

This matter was brushed in another thread and I have personal experience of the problem as well. In normal party, vote kick needs majority vote. This is sensible, even if in 4 man parties, two friends is enough to abuse it but that's another matter. However in 24 man alliance 4 people are enough to hold everyone else hostage by their antics. While they are far from majority, there is no way for the other alliances repel such grievers letting them make the run miserable for everyone else.

This would be a "Vote Abandon" situation. If not, then you could leave and do something else for half and hour :/.

The only thing that really annoys me with 24 man raids is that there are so many leeches in party now. They enter in as DPS and slow down the whole raid, because they don't do anything and people don't care that there's this idiot getting the same return from the weekly as others doing their roles! Bit of a rant ><, but leeches piss me off more in this 24 man raids.

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

This would be a "Vote Abandon" situation. If not, then you could leave and do something else for half and hour :/.

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Kind of a problem when 4 people in a 24 man raid can cause a Vote Abandon.

Actually, they'd have to be 5 people. In 8 man parties, 4 votes is enough to get a person kicked.

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

This would be a "Vote Abandon" situation. If not, then you could leave and do something else for half and hour :/.

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That is akin to suggesting that in 8-man content one player was grieving on purpose, the only thing they should do is vote abandon. However as it is now, the grieving player can be kicked out, without those other 7 who queued possibly near hour already having to go through that again. And yet, in the tower raids, if 4 person decide they get their kicks from being difficult, it would be fair to force the 20 out and to start again?

Reminds me of my ST run where 5 people joined together, one of them griefed other party/alliance members throughout the run to the annoyance of people throughout the alliance... another party member tried to vote dismiss them and the vote failed which was shocking up until I realized they had queued together, since they used their majority position in the party to vote me out (and probably one or two others) after wiping the last boss. I guess if you have a majority stake in a party you can do whatever the hell you want.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

Actually, they'd have to be 5 people. In 8 man parties, 4 votes is enough to get a person kicked.

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I thought it was always a majority, not counting the person calling for it or the person nominated, ie 5 people to kick from 8 man, 3 people to kick from 4 man.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

I thought it was always a majority, not counting the person calling for it or the person nominated, ie 5 people to kick from 8 man, 3 people to kick from 4 man.

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Of 8 man, 7 people are voting since you can't vote on your own kick, same in 4 man, 3 are voting. So 4/7 and 2/3 respectively are the majorities.

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Originally Posted by Sida

Of 8 man, 7 people are voting since you can't vote on your own kick, same in 4 man, 3 are voting. So 4/7 and 2/3 respectively are the majorities.

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Then that is including the person initiating it, so 2 people could kick someone from a 4 man. I was under the impression it took 3 to boot the 4th in dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Sida

Of 8 man, 7 people are voting since you can't vote on your own kick, same in 4 man, 3 are voting. So 4/7 and 2/3 respectively are the majorities.

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Actually, The person being "Judged" is not Counted. The Vote Starter is counted as number 1 with it taking two more votes in 4 man areas and 4 in 8 man areas. that leaves a grand total of 3 on 1 or a 5 on 3 minimum for an 8 man raid.

EDIT: I think that is what you said but I'll keep mine up for clarification sake.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

Then that is including the person initiating it, so 2 people could kick someone from a 4 man. I was under the impression it took 3 to boot the 4th in dungeons.

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I have been in a situation where it is painfully clear it only takes 2 persons to boot someone out in 4 man content.

I have actually seen people get week long suspensions for abusing the kick mechanic. On my alt the FC was in there was another member who got a suspension for harassing a CT raid gloating about how people just click the yes button on kicking people without really considering. He got the good people kicked just to get a kick out of trolling then a few days later he was slapped with a suspension for harassment. You can bot, cheat and pretty much do anything in this game until you either RMT or harass people. SE is pretty good about harassment.

We ran a CT raid several weeks ago, where one alliance was comprised of nothing but trolls. They pulled bosses before all 24 raid members were in scene, completely ignored mechanics, shouted obscenities alliance wide to any member addressing their behavior, and drew obscene anatomy pictures in chat (can admit this was so pathetic that it made me laugh). We decided to grin and bear it to the bitter end.

Several of our alliance members (all from my FC) chose to report them including me. Within seconds after our raid ended, our FC lead was contacted by moderator. They must have chatted for at least 20 minutes before the cm contacted me. Essentially the moderator just asked me to verify the behavior and names of the players disrupting play. He apologized profusely and assured me that action would be taken after they completed their review. He told me that it was very important to SE for this type of behavior to be addressed and that our player experience to be positive.

As much as it would be an interesting option to kick an alliance, this could be abused as well. I believe the tools we already have address player misbehavior and abuse. Just report and/or vote abandon or leave if the trolling is intolerable. What should be addressed by SE is streamlining the reporting system. We should be able to click on a player and bring up a report menu if needed. And the report menu should automatically take a screen shot of the instance and log the player's names involved. This to me would be more effective then invoking a raid wide kick for another alliance.

I'm actually not suggesting to be able to kick whole alliance, don't really know where that idea came from. My suggestion is that the whole raid could take part in the kick of single player in one alliance. The case that caused me to suggest this was where there was one aggressor at first, but when there was suggestion in /a that he should maybe be kicked, he said "can't do, have 4 FC mates with me" and further on "if you try to kick me, we'll kick the others out". In that case, it would be unfair to even consider kicking the whole alliance, the other players unlucky enough to get to the same group with them suffer as much of their antics. But if everyone's vote counted, instead of just these few unlucky ones, the single aggressors could be given boot.

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Originally Posted by Sida

I'm actually not suggesting to be able to kick whole alliance, don't really know where that idea came from. My suggestion is that the whole raid could take part in the kick of single player in one alliance.

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I was under the impression that's what this was about was giving the other 16 people in the alliance the chance to force out a group of griefers holding the third squad hostage. Not sure how it was taken as kick a whole squad. How would that even work?