Given that flying mounts are gonna be used in all the new zones (after clearing them the first time), will be twice as fast as ground mount, and we seem unlikely to have much reason to return to the original lands for extended periods of time...
Are we gonna see the wow thing all over again? Ground mounts become unused and useless, hard earned mounts never seen, and everything new flies for some inexplicable reason even if it just treads air somehow.
I like the idea of the floating continent, but I have a lot of misgivings about flying mounts and what they do to an mmo and the expectations them bring. Why farm the cool ponies, soon getting new themes, if we are just gonna fly instead after the first week?
So ground mounts...
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05-11-2015, 05:58 AMMrSmileySo ground mounts...
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05-11-2015, 06:02 AMTetsuyaHikari
Use my Gryphon to reaching floating platforms, use my Fenrir when I'm running on said platforms. I don't see the issue.
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05-11-2015, 06:05 AMMilesSaintboroguh
Square said flying mounts won't run as fast as ground mounts (I think?) but their flying speed outclasses the speed of ground mounts greatly.
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05-11-2015, 06:09 AMTam_Hawkins
Flying Mounts Speed modificators were set at 0,9 for land and 2,0 for air (they said they might increase air Speed)
if we asume that the speedmodificator for normal Mounts is 1,0 then the old Mounts would be 11,111111111111111111111111...% faster on land -
05-11-2015, 06:10 AMZumi
When you are in 2.0 areas you will still be using your ground mounts because no flying.
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05-11-2015, 06:14 AMEvergreyIt's like Warlords of Draenor, but reversed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zumi
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05-11-2015, 06:14 AMHorseBoots
Except Flying Mounts move slower on ground than normal mounts, and you have to be attuned to the area before you can begin flying.
So when you first enter the 8 new zones, you are going to be firmly on the ground for the most part. Flight is a reward for fully exploring and "clearing" the zone. With zones 50-100% bigger than the vanilla areas, at level 60 I'd much rather appreciate being able to fly over these zones than be stuck on the ground where the level 57 trash mobs are going to be putting heavy on my mount for 20 SECONDS despite not even being able to hit hard enough to beat my natural HP regen. -
05-11-2015, 06:20 AMImoye
Flying is a mistake imo. Did they learn nothing from WoW.
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05-11-2015, 06:24 AMTetsuyaHikariYeah, I can totally see how giving players a new means of exploration could ruin a game. Forget WoW. Look at all of the other MMOs that have flying mounts and run fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Imoye
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05-11-2015, 06:26 AMMrSmileyand move half speed compared to just flyingQuote:
Originally Posted by TetsuyaHikari
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05-11-2015, 06:29 AMMrSmileyliek I said, after the first week we will be flying only. Lets not pretend exploring the land is gonna last longer than that...Quote:
Originally Posted by HorseBoots
Even if it did, what would the point of ground be after that still?
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05-11-2015, 06:30 AMTheplatterYes. It's called Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrSmiley
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05-11-2015, 06:40 AMNoshpanOr Kalimdor & Eastern Kingdoms pre-Cataclysm. You also still can't fly on the Isle of Quel'Danas, and that was introduced in late TBC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evergrey
On topic, as others have stated, flying mounts are not going to move so fast while grounded. This is probably an effort to encourage players to continue using their ground mounts. Besides, it's not like we have pvp servers and have to worry about getting ganked by an end-gamed geared mouth-breather who couldn't hack it in arenas and battlegrounds so they gank lowbies. -
05-11-2015, 06:44 AMKaplanHomahruBecause Kirin will be able to fly.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrSmiley
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05-11-2015, 06:48 AMGilraenAs will the ahriman, bomb palanquin and Company chocobo (after a quest). Just not immediately on release, probably after a patch or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by KaplanHomahru
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05-11-2015, 06:50 AMmyaheleWith that expansion, there probably won't be much need to be in 2.0 open world areas unless we're forced to for the new Relic QuestlineQuote:
Originally Posted by Zumi
Then there's also the "dual-purpose" mounts we have now that will be converted into flying mounts. Will they be re-classified as flying mounts -
05-11-2015, 07:07 AMDukeBurdenDid they actually say this? I think that'd be a great idea since in the cutscene, it flies down from the heavens to you much like Odin (horse mode) in Final Fantasy XIII.Quote:
Originally Posted by KaplanHomahru
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05-11-2015, 07:10 AMGrimmelBecause World of Warcraft is totally developed and run by Square-Enix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Imoye
*sarcasm off*
Yes SE said that Kirin, Bomb Plaque, Ahriman, Logistics system, and our Grand Company Chocobo would all be able to fly eventually.Quote:
Originally Posted by DukeBurden
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05-11-2015, 07:12 AMZumiThere will be plenty of people in the old areas leveling from 30-50 on the 3 new jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by myahele
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05-11-2015, 07:13 AMEvergreyTaken from another thread about Primal Mounts and HWQuote:
Originally Posted by DukeBurden
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05-11-2015, 07:13 AMOMEGA_HACKBut you can still get aggro when flying low to the ground. And who knows maybe the heavy penalty will slow you even more when flying or maybe it will make it where you cannot fly. We just don't know all the details yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrSmiley
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05-11-2015, 07:17 AMHiruke
I'm much more concerned that when I try to cast a mount, it takes 1 second or whatever instead of just being instant. Plus if I move a little too soon (after 1 second has passed and I've actually done the "whistle" to make the mount come out but before the mount actually appears) then I waste the cast and keep on walking. Great!
For example, in Tera, you can cast mounts instantly, and, well, it's amazing. Instant cast mounts. The best thing ever. -
05-11-2015, 07:28 AMGilraen
The reason for the casting time is to make players sure that they don't have aggro when they call the mount. If you do have aggro, you can't call the mount and if you're attacked while calling a mount the casting time is interrupted. Not sure why they carried it over, but the notion here is that mounts aren't 'safe mode' and Heavy is meant to instill a sense of 'dread'. While this was true in 1.0, that just isn't the case in 2.0. I'm more inconvenienced than scared and if I aggro while on a mount I just keep going. While insta-cast isn't something I can get behind, Heavy needs to die.
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05-11-2015, 07:53 AMImoyeYup, Tera could've been a really good game if it weren't for such obvious huge flaws, instant mounts were amazing though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiruke
Also, getting aggro while casting the mount is nothing but an annoyance. As long as you can't use it while in combat, I don't see a reason why we can't have instant cast mounts. Another alternative, like in Rift, is to make mounts castable while in combat, but interruptable if hit.
Flying mounts pretty much makes ground mounts obsolete, unless in a restricted area. For me flying doesn't add any noteworthy benefit. It's not like AFK queueing in cities isn't widespread enough. Nah, we need R/Numlock AFK flying as well to make the world beneath completely dead and barren with zero interaction.
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05-11-2015, 09:05 AMSinsain
just fly close to the ground?
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05-11-2015, 09:43 AMFelisEven now there are still enough lv 50 people running around in lv 40 areas. And not every new mainstory quest will be in the new zones. There will be still enough which send you back through the old zones.Quote:
Originally Posted by myahele
Just teach your companion to fly. Then you have a flying mount and ground mount in one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Imoye
Yes. They should instead raise the chance for auto-dismount.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilraen