Unlocking Dark Knight?

I'm sure this has been asked a billion and a half times but I haven't found anything from the devs on it yet, maybe I missed it. So we all know there is no base requirement for the new jobs and since they're jobs and not classes means ten to one you can't just create a new one and start at level thirty. My question is will you be able to pick up the job once you hit level 30 or will you have to level to 50 finish all of the main story quests up to 2.55 get into ishgard and then hunt down the trainers to become one getting knocked back down to 60?

If its the latter that's a pretty harsh requirement having to effectively level 80 or more times start to finish (50 to get to Ishgard plus job requirements and then another 30 to max once you get to the job) I'm really hoping they clarify how it's going to work so I know what I'm in for.

Probably the latter, guild will be in ishgard which will require 2.55 story completion to access.

Being that the three new jobs are in Ishgard, and in order to get to Ishgard you have to beat the story up to 2.55, yes you will not be getting the new jobs till you have atleast one job at level 50 already. As well 30 is a good point, giving you many skills to start out with as well as giving you a reason to keeping doing some of the older content (just using the low level rol will insure players new and old are still playing pre-30 dungeons together).

If that's the case I hope they add something later for people who are leveling new characters who want to be one of those new jobs. Kinda sucks to have to spend fifty levels as another job till they get where they can play the one they want

Dont think they would do this, because of the storyline.
It make no sense to enter Ishgard before the bridge is open.
And for people who starting the game and level a class its good not to start at level 30.
Maybe they will replace the Jobnpc´s sometimes if they have nothing to do with the storyline, so people can become one of the classes, after they level one another class to 30.

Newbie's leveling characters have enough classes/jobs to get used to that only those who only want to play the new jobs would be really complaining. Vets who like to make alts are already aware, or should be aware, of the requirements and should be leveling them right now if they really care that much about it.

I'm fine with not being you make a character and have a new 30 but it'd be nice to level to 30 and then start your job instead of having to hit 50 and get into ishgard to be what you want, but I'm speaking from the weird position of leveling individual characters for specific classes instead of doing everything on one. I want my warrior to stay a warrior, I made a new character to be a dark Knight looks like I'm in for the one haul

I'm not a vet I've been playing for a bit but I haven't seen anything saying for sure one way or another which is why I asked but I'm leveling an alt in preparation for the worst.

I took it when they said, "no base class" that the requirements for the job would be gladiator or muraduer to 30 first. Have they clarified that as untrue and I missed it? If so can I get a link?

Truth be told, while I'll be able to access it, I'm still on fond of having to finish all the story content through 2.55 to get access to any of the content from Heavensward. For new players it means a HUGE grind to get to the content, (346 mandatory quests, in between grinding to level up to do those quests, and long duty waits for anyone who plays DPS). Honestly, having started the game just three months ago, I'm only going to finish the story a couple of weeks before Heavensward releases because of the fact that I play nearly every day. Sure, I'd be done sooner if I SOLELY focused on doing the story, but with as much content as is present in the game, it's easy to get side tracked by crafting classes or re-running dungeons with friends. For anyone just starting now, or thinking about getting the game because some of the new content is appealing to them, then that is quite a long ways away before they can access any of it.....

EDIT: *still not fond

They discussed it in the last live letter and benchmark release. You don't need Ishgard access to be a DRK/MAC/AST, you can buy a sword/cards/gun anywhere (or get drops from HM Primals; they don't have a zodiac weapons but they do have those and maybe Coil too[?]) and start level grinding all the way to 60. However you DO need to start the 3.0 storyline missions to gain access to their respective guilds, but still you are capable of leveling the new job and doing the storyline/guild-quests simultaneously while progressing it.

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We’ll be adding three new jobs: dark knight, astrologian, and machinist, and they’ll start from level 30. The job quests for each of these three new jobs will be located in Ishgard. If you want to start leveling these jobs as soon as you enter Ishgard, you’ll be able to do so without progressing through the new main scenario story. You’ll have to be at least level 50 for the new main scenario. By accepting the first job quest, you’ll be able to level up along with the story.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/230605

tl;dr: It's not until you get your new job to 50 that you need to worry about content gated behind 2.xx content (which you'll be able to do with your newly leveled lvl50 DRK/MAC/AST)

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Originally Posted by Xenosan

tl;dr: It's not until you get your new job to 50 that you need to worry about content gated behind 2.xx content (which you'll be able to do with your newly leveled lvl50 DRK/MAC/AST)

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I don't think you read what you quoted:

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If you want to start leveling these jobs as soon as you enter Ishgard, you’ll be able to do so without progressing through the new (3.0) main scenario story.

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You could probably buy the weapons on the market but unless this job doesn't have a soul you wouldn't be able to equip it ten to one.

If I recall correctly you can't equip a weapon until you've started the first class quest "Way of the [class]"

You have to have the story finished up until you gain access to Ishgaurd. You don't have to do any more 3.0 stuff but you need to have access to the place to talk to the trainers/guildmasters/whatevers.

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We’ll be adding three new jobs: dark knight, astrologian, and machinist, and they’ll start from level 30. The job quests for each of these three new jobs will be located in Ishgard. If you want to start leveling these jobs as soon as you enter Ishgard, you’ll be able to do so without progressing through the new main scenario story. You’ll have to be at least level 50 for the new main scenario. By accepting the first job quest, you’ll be able to level up along with the story.

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I took this as meaning that the first job quest for the new jobs are at lvl50/lvl51 and above

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Originally Posted by Xenosan

I took this as meaning that the first job quest for the new jobs are at lvl50/lvl51 and above

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The first quest for the job will be the one that changes your job level from "-" to "30" and lets you equip a weapon for the job.

They say level up with the story right after talking about the new main scenario story. You finish 2.55, do the first quest of 3.0 to get in Ishgard. Then you can level up the new jobs to 50, and do the Heavensward storyline with them. They are just saying that you don't need to get part way or completely through the 3.0 story before you can unlock the new jobs.

A bit off topic, but I just realized something that makes me curious. Will the new classes be completely unusable for retainers?

The new classes will start at level 30, which means it would be rather pointless in general use to have weapons for them below that point, (with the exception of a few vanity rare drops possibly), as everyone will be at least level 30 on that class. But, you can't level up a retainer class without giving them a weapon. So without a level one weapon to start off at, it would be impossible to send a retainer with one of the new classes on ventures, and thus raise their level so they could use one of the level 30 weapons. The alternative would be to start the retainer at level 30 as well, but that would just be a giant slap in the face to anyone who's spent the retainer ventures necessary to raise their retainers to that point on a different class.....

I'm sure no one knows, but it's just a random thought that popped into my head.....

Retainers are only Classes, no Jobs.
The new Jobs have no classes, so yes i think you cant chose one of them for your retainer.