These two fights were some of the most disappointing to me... i.e. Urths Fount and Big Keep.
Granted we aren't necessarily done with Gilgamesh... but I can't help but recall that 8 armed pick with 8 weapons, and the wild speculation that we'd be able to challenge for weapons drops... perhaps even with a risk of losing your weapon.
Likewise, Odin was a pushover. I would have loved to see something more... perhaps having to kill him multiple times, and at different times he possesses a member of your party who you then have to fight an Odinized version of...
In any case.. There's so much more that could have been had... Would have loved a challenge. Would very much like Extreme Versions... even if the drops are purely glamour.
Urth's Fount Extreme - Gilgamesh Extreme
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05-05-2015, 04:49 AMSteadyUrth's Fount Extreme - Gilgamesh Extreme
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05-05-2015, 05:42 AMSaccharin
Nah, 2.x is done with. I wouldn't want them to work on 2.x stuff while we have new stuff to explore.
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05-05-2015, 05:58 AMSteady
I suppose if I had something to explore RIGHT NOW, I'd feel differently.. as it stands, i'm twiddling my thumbs waiting.
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05-05-2015, 06:00 AMTiggyI like to think I speak for everyone using a relic when I say this. THIS IS THE WORST IDEA IN HISTORY.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steady
Based on the Odin and Gilgamesh stories these things are very possible to happen come 3.0 regardless. It's not ONLY 2.0 where those stories are relevant.The Odin story line is very obvious still ongoing, and Greg and the PC have a rivalry relationship that hasn't culminated in any finality yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saccharin
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05-05-2015, 06:00 AMAsahinaMyLove
Odin is already hard enough o_O no1 wants to fight him! /Points to crazy long wait time on DF
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05-05-2015, 06:03 AMTiggyI know almost 2 dozen people who have said they want an Ex version because the current version was too easy, and that's just in my FC alone and it was hardly a FC census or anything. Seriously, we beat it on the first try and have barely done it since other than helping FC mates get a clear. So please do try to only speak for yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove
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05-05-2015, 06:08 AMRedAntaresYep, tried him and couldn't beat it, he's hard if team doesn't know what they are doing, plus no one wants to do that fight anymore, same with Ultima. I really want to beat both so I can remove them from my quest list and never be bothered with those fights again. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove
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05-05-2015, 06:09 AMSummerSkyeReally? She WAS speaking for herself. She said that the duty finder queues are long for this fight because no one wants to do it anymore. Part of the reason why it is such a long wait for people that want to clear it, you said yourself, because your FC (And others who have cleared it) barely run it anymore. Telling her to speak for herself when she obviously WAS speaking for herself sounds like a reason for you to post on the forums about how great you and your FC are at a video game. Congrats. Here is a cookie. You are fucking amazing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiggy
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05-05-2015, 06:13 AMSteady
All the tank has to do is tank him as far out as he can while leaving both flanks open and a way to back out of AOE. Pop cooldowns for Sange and kick back.
All DPS has to do is bring DPS and avoid stuff. Spread out when appropriate.
All healers hafta do is Cleanse Slow, and DOT from Valknut, while healing through the DOT from Gungnir. Healers should treat every Sangetail like Ravensbeak from Turn 9. If you haven't done turn 9, that means proactive Adlo/Stoneskin, and utilizing Virus effectively.
I usually go on Warrior, since Inner Beast is a perpetual buff, and it helps push damage a bit more.
Anyhow.. the whole thing is just about dodging mechanics, and proactive healing, and proactive mitigation.
I cleared a few times on the Dutyfinder... but honestly.. why you don't just do it with a group of friends seems like error in judgement to me. -
05-05-2015, 06:17 AMTiggyDo read harder please. I know it's tough to slow down and read the whole thing, but the words were indeed there.Quote:
Originally Posted by SummerSkye
So what was that about her speaking for herself when she uses works like no1 (no one)?Quote:
Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove
Thank you!Quote:
Originally Posted by SummerSkye
I'll accept the apology for your unnecessary rant at any time. There was no reason to go off like you did at all mr negative. The only snarky thing I said was when I asked her to speak for herself. Your rage needs to simmer down. Seriously, and people think "elitists" are the nasty ones. -
05-05-2015, 06:49 AMSummerSkyeI have absolutely zero rage. Your post, on the other hand, again...was just a post to let the struggling player know that you and your amazingly elite free company beat this on the fist try and no longer run it. She is stating that no one runs the content anymore, and you reiterate this by acknowledging that you never run said content anymore. Why would you tell someone to speak for themselves when you are simply echoing her issue? Pretentious much? Good lord your posts here reek of a spoiled fat kid that has nothing else going on in his or her life but an online video game. Maybe I should take that cookie I offered back. Diabetes and all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiggy
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05-05-2015, 07:07 AMlyndwyrmI think the reason why no one wants to do the fight are:Quote:
Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove
1. The rewards are only glamor, your AF1 is literally better.
2. The fight is extremely straightforward, which turns the "hardcore" crowd off.
3. The fight has pretty steep requirements, despite being straightforward, Sanngetall hits hard and the enrage requires pretty decent DPS, which turns the "casual" crowd away.
4. (DF only) The only reason you'll need a second tank is if the MT dies, so you can ease the DPS check by going PF and bringing 1 tank, and 5 dps.
Just going by gear requirement->gear reward, rewards between i110-120 would be more appropriate, though i110 would already be distinctly outdated. I don't know anyone that uses this set for glamor, but I'm sure there are people.
I actually like how straightforward the fight is, as it lets me worry about playing my class more and less about other people killing me/everyone. On the other hand, the only piece of glamor I'd like from the fight, the eyepatch, is limited to DoM, so I can't put it on my monk like I want :(. -
05-05-2015, 07:17 AMAzraelX
I just beat it in my 1st time melee dps in a random group that was struggling through it with only 10min left. It was really easily i was choked how easily it was given the fact that it is item level 95 to enter. I love Odin and would to see an EX version for more vanity items
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05-05-2015, 07:34 AMTiggySimmer down there cowboy. You're so incredibly negative.Quote:
Originally Posted by SummerSkye
Maybe, just maybe, if the fight had decent drops people would run it, but it doesn't so people don't spend time on it. The fact people don't run it has absolutely nothing to do with the difficulty of the fight, which is what AsahinaMyLove specifically mentioned. Specifically saying no one wants to fight him due to the difficulty. I specifically offered a countering opinion that said difficulty wasn't the problem, and offered valid points for that. I also request that she not make blanket statements that it's too hard because for many it isn't. Instead of having a reasonable adult discussion you saw fit to rage out as If I'm some a** because I offered a differing opinion and backed it up with personal observations. It wasn't some elitist comment on my part. It was a direct and specific refutation of the claim made by Asahina. YOU however have chosen to be a giant a** and completely ignored how my comment was ENTIRELY RELEVANT as a response and was in no way shape or form an ego trip on my part. You even seem to think I echo her issue when I quite clearly do not. I've never thought this fight was hard, and that was her concern. You sir need better reading comprehension skills.
You, SummerSkye, need to chill out and learn to have a reasonable conversation instead of white knighting all over this thread when it was unnecessary. You act like I was being nasty when every single post you've made in this thread was full of vitriol while I have been nothing but on topic. Simmer your rage down. -
05-05-2015, 07:47 AMthunderbreak
These 2 fights are not extreme, doubt you'll see an extreme version.
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05-05-2015, 08:09 AMSpawnieproblem is via DF to many try to odin with the bare minimum ilvl makes it difficult at the dps race phase... heck ive seen tanks die in the 1st 90secs in odin duty lmao still havent completed it from 20+ attempts via df n 3 with a few friends ;/Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiggy
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05-05-2015, 08:34 AMTiggyThe ilvl req on that fight is definitely too low for the two hardest mechanics (Sangetail, Zantetsuken). When the fight released we were well into 110 gear and on so the minimum should probably have been 105 to be realistic. 110 had been available for quite a time this fight was added, and 120 available via poe for 3 months as well so putting the ilvl higher would have made a lot of sense. Those two mechanics didn't really come as much of a challenge to anyone with relatively up to date gear and the ilvl should have better reflected those two mechanics and the current progression of gear. Considering the dps check if everyone entered this fight at minimum ilvl you would need to be extremely good at your job to put out the numbers to win. If they really wanted this to target the casual crowd better the ilvl req raise would have achieved that nicely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spawnie
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05-05-2015, 08:50 AMUrthdigger
Am I the only one who saw this and thought of a trial that's just hardcore spiritbinding?
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05-05-2015, 10:20 AMSpawniepersonally i dont find it difficult attempted it that much only to fail at dps race.. but agreed i think minimum ilvl needs to be pushed up mayb to 105-110 since thats pretty easy to obtain without alot of effort.. ilvl at bare minimum makes it just to hard for healers to keep up = why so many groups failQuote:
Originally Posted by Tiggy
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05-05-2015, 10:47 AMMilesSaintboroguh
Unless there's significant rewards attached, no one is going to bother doing these extreme trials. Even then, what could be added? I don't think they could really make gear for them that'd be comparable to the mainstream gear without causing bloat.
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05-05-2015, 11:28 AMSummerSkyeHow about a "free" in-game version of the Sleipnir mount? Make it a rare drop from Odin, not unlike the other extreme horse mounts. That may make it worth going back to do multiple times.Quote:
Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh
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05-05-2015, 11:53 AMSpawnieonly way they could do that is by making it the true slepnir mount not what they have nows... 8 legs n everything :PQuote:
Originally Posted by SummerSkye
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05-05-2015, 01:02 PMMilesSaintboroguhlol oh the rage that would spew forth if a free version of something that was originally paid only came to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by SummerSkye