Echo buff only when there's a new player

Echo buff on party on if there is someone who hasn't cleared (sol bonus)

Reason for suggesting is that
-once you cleared something x times it doesn't help that much, only makes the fight boring (and no one is going to turn the buff off)
-more reason to help uncleared

Thoughts on this?

Will the buff only apply to the new person(s)? If 3 in a group have a clear and 5 do not, having no echo for some groups can be a bit brutal, it's not like 3 people with a kill (especially if they themselves were carried) can carry everyone else in some fights.

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Originally Posted by Darra

Will the buff only apply to the new person(s)? If 3 in a group have a clear and 5 do not, having no echo for some groups can be a bit brutal, it's not like 3 people with a kill (especially if they themselves were carried) can carry everyone else in some fights.

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The whole party gets buff

Nah, it's fine the way it is and you can turn the buff off if you really want to.

1: Hover pointer over echo buff.
2: Right click on said buff.
3: Profit.

You can thank me later :)

And if people dont turn it off then clearly its cause they dont want to and forcing them will not make things better.

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Originally Posted by Sylkis

.......and no one is going to turn the buff off

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Answered your own question.

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Originally Posted by Kitano123

Answered your own question.

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That's because using echo is the norm because everyone else is. If the norm was changed to no echo it wouldn't make a difference to those that cleared before because they either don't care about farming it (just need to clear to move on) or the fight is already hammered into their heads that 10-25% makes no difference.


Thinking about how it affects the whole community instead of just your own group, it might be better for everyone?

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Originally Posted by Sylkis

That's because using echo is the norm because everyone else is. If the norm was changed to no echo it wouldn't make a difference to those that cleared before because they either don't care about farming it (just need to clear to move on) or the fight is already hammered into their heads that 10-25% makes no difference.


Thinking about how it affects the whole community instead of just your own group, it might be better for everyone?

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I haven't the slightest clue why you think further restricting something that's already optional would benefit the community in any way.

You can turn it off right now cant you? why is this an issue?

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

I haven't the slightest clue why you think further restricting something that's already optional would benefit the community in any way.

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If I reworded the topic to:

Give the party an extra echo increase when with a new player

Would that change it? It's the same thing

It's like fatigue in 1.0, everyone hated it but change the name to rested exp and everyone is happy when nothing has changed at all - non rested exp IS fatigue

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

You can turn it off right now cant you? why is this an issue?

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Because more incentive to help new players because you can potentially kill the boss and get your loot faster

The other argument for the farm party is:
Even if echo was 10000% people would keep it on, and that's boring

So what if me and my party, who have all cleared it, want the Echo?

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Originally Posted by Sylkis

If I reworded the topic to:

Give the party an extra echo increase when with a new player

Would that change it? It's the same thing

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I still don't see how this would help anything. You're actually contradicting yourself. You say it's boring for players who've already cleared the content a bunch of times to have the echo (which they can remove anyway if it were really that boring), but you want to incentivize them helping new players by giving them... a more powerful echo? I don't understand.

You've also illustrated the point that players who have already cleared the content a bunch of times prove that they don't need the echo anyway so what makes you think they'd be any more inclined to bring new players just because they'd apply the echo?

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It's like fatigue in 1.0, everyone hated it but change the name to rested exp and everyone is happy when nothing has changed at all - non rested exp IS fatigue

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Fatigue and Rested aren't even close to being the same thing. Like, at all. The only similarity is that they both modified your exp gain.

Dont you have to wipe first to get the echo buff?

So on 1st time groups like 8/8 ppl r new they get echo?
Well thts a pretty dumb idea lol.
Doesn't matter cuz 3.0 is just weeks away = YAY CONTENT THAT WON'T HAVE ECHO.... Yet.
Dunno y u'd care about echo on content u have on farm.
Also
Uh..............
Don't farm groups aim to clear things as fast and clean as they can? So having no echo will only make tht take more effort which im sure 7/8 ppl don't want to do when they have been farming the same content for 5 hrs.

Echo makes it funner to farm to be honest. I like having 6600hp in T13 without food (which is HYPER expensive on Zalera)

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

So on 1st time groups like 8/8 ppl r new they get echo?
Well thts a pretty dumb idea lol.
Doesn't matter cuz 3.0 is just weeks away = YAY CONTENT THAT WON'T HAVE ECHO.... Yet.
Dunno y u'd care about echo on content u have on farm.
Also
Uh..............
Don't farm groups aim to clear things as fast and clean as they can? So having no echo will only make tht take more effort which im sure 7/8 ppl don't want to do when they have been farming the same content for 5 hrs.

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It won't be any slower than before, basically the echo now becomes no echo. Parties with a new player get echo which makes it faster.

If you apply this to new dungeons/raids instead of the current ones that's the end result will be

I honestly think SE should give MORE Echo at the START of a trail or raid. Because we're in this limbo state before the expansion, just make all the fights faster and easier, let us farm everything to our heart's content so we can be ready to eat up the new expansion when it launches!