Hating On Your Own Class/Job?

I just finished a run of World of Darkness where we had to deal with a heckler who called out the Dragoons whenever one was killed in a fight. The sad thing is, the heckler was a Dragoon himself. It makes no sense when you do a challenge to hate on the people who are the same class/job as you are because it makes you look like a hypocrite.

This was the first instance of me seeing this by a DPS but I have seen it done by healers and tanks to each other too.

When you are trying to get a duty complete and the objective is to work together, we don't need any trolls hating on those who are the same as they are (or anyone else for that matter).

I main Ninja and always pre-emptively facepalm when I see another Ninja in the party because more often than not, they will never use Huton and put down single target Dotons.

I personally think you should only be allowed to give other players grief if you're on the same Job. Too many unqualified opinions otherwise.

Most of the "hatin'" moments are from the Crystal Tower saga. For example, I main tank classes, so it really pisses me off when I pull the boss and another tank tries to voke it off me. WHY!??!?! Just sit there and DPS if there're no adds to tank, dude!

Ugh, I can't stand healers that don't stance dance, just standing there tossing out heals... Especially on SCH!

But what I really hate is when they have Eos out, on Auto. Selene is fine since they fixed her AI, but popping Dawn and Covenant when they're not needed is just... arrgh!

Similarly, I hate it when Summoners leave Garuda on Auto. Garuda's only good if you use Contagion at the right moment in your rotation! If you're just going to have her on Auto you're better off using Ifrit! Too many people hear "Garuda is best pet" and just take it at face value, I guess...

Well I hate when I am in party with other BRD and I am the only singing ballad/foe/paeon trough the whole fight, but I never say anything. The BRD know he isn't singing so I wouldn't change a thing.

Why are you guys all describing what I do in dungeons? :P

I'm super elitist to anyone who plays a scholar.

Just comes with the territory of maining one, I guess.

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Originally Posted by Cyrus-Wallace

Most of the "hatin'" moments are from the Crystal Tower saga. For example, I main tank classes, so it really pisses me off when I pull the boss and another tank tries to voke it off me. WHY!??!?! Just sit there and DPS if there're no adds to tank, dude!

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And then when adds come, they don't tank adds because they were "too busy tanking the boss" for all of about two seconds.

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Originally Posted by Elazu

I main Ninja and always pre-emptively facepalm when I see another Ninja in the party because more often than not, they will never use Huton and put down single target Dotons.

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Aw common I love my doton macro lol
but I also use the suiton macro if it's a boss. So rotation is normally this Huton->CD->Doton->Jutsu refresh->Suiton(macro leads to sneak attack) :) lol

I hate when I'm tanking and I hate it when dps grab agro from another monster that I'm not focusing on by blantenly attacking it

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Originally Posted by AceHunterIce

Aw common I love my doton macro lol
but I also use the suiton macro if it's a boss. So rotation is normally this Huton->CD->Doton->Jutsu refresh->Suiton(macro leads to sneak attack) :) lol

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I...I don't even know what to say to this...

This is exactly the reason why Ninja mains hate Ninjas.

I had to deal with a player who was vote dismissing people on false pretenses (someone who R0 is not someone who is AFK, kind of thing) I spoke up about it and that person Vote Dismissed me! Had a nice talk with a GM afterwards so I hope a strike/disciplinary action was given to the player (I won't say a name). Anywho, if that person is being rude to another player then its up to that player to report it or not if they feel like it become a harassment issue.

General Note:
NA player etiquette has been absolutely garbage lately, and I don't mean macro emotes kind of etiquette...I mean friendliness to one another in general as I'm all for a good macro emote laugh.

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Originally Posted by AceHunterIce

Aw common I love my doton macro lol
but I also use the suiton macro if it's a boss. So rotation is normally this Huton->CD->Doton->Jutsu refresh->Suiton(macro leads to sneak attack) :) lol

I hate when I'm tanking and I hate it when dps grab agro from another monster that I'm not focusing on by blantenly attacking it

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>Ninja
>Macro

....oh

Nobody hates monks like other monks that notice you arent properly flanking or behind for your attacks.

Seriously you do less damage than any other class that way.

What's wrong with pointing out the flaws in people playing the same role/job as you? If I know my shit well and someone else is being a detriment to our team/raid, I'm definitely going to speak up about it.

I had a ST run once where the other healer dismissed his fairy and stopped doing anything in the middle of a boss. Some random DPS dies to mechanics and he immediately got on my case about how I should stop doing DPS in cleric stance and only focus on heals and then he refused to do anything more than half ass the rest of the run because he wanted me "to do my job".

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Originally Posted by dice137

What's wrong with pointing out the flaws in people playing the same role/job as you? If I know my shit well and someone else is being a detriment to our team/raid, I'm definitely going to speak up about it.

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Exactly. I groan when i see another BLM because experience taught me that most BLMs are under-preforming and I end up having to correct them, which hurts their self esteem, and blah blah blah

Every single time I see a bard in a party without singing for the casters/any type of magic users I want to punch them.

Even worse when the healer is down to like 200 MP yet no song. Like really guys REALLY
REALLY

If I'm on bard I'll play the songs but I'll totally call out other bards when healing or whatever.
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Other things I think sometimes while watching other bards:
"Where are your DoTs" "Why are you spamming Straight Shot" "Have you used a single cooldown this whole fight" "OMFG move out of the AOE you can do that"

BARDS THAT DONT SING OH MY GOD I FORGOT, USE ANY SONG I DONT CARE ANYMORE JUST USE THEM.

I'm flawless and you're always wrong...
This is hard to enjoy the game....

Everyone makes fun of dead dragoons, including dragoons themselves. not a new thing.

I don't hate my own job (ninja) I adore it!

but I hate my former job, the summoner.

NA community is getting a lot of the troll flow-ins from other games around this time, plus a ton of us are raised that being like this is okay on the internet lol.

On topic though -- had the strangest thing ever happen while I was dragoon'ing -- I started calling out a pld for bad tanking and gave them advice lol.

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Originally Posted by Elazu

I main Ninja and always pre-emptively facepalm when I see another Ninja in the party because more often than not, they will never use Huton and put down single target Dotons.

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Glad I'm not the only person who has this reaction xD

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Originally Posted by Adire

Glad I'm not the only person who has this reaction xD

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You guys need to practice your rotations.. I don't even use ninjutsu, I only use 2 skills :P

just realized that I can choose Rogue as my main class in the forum.

finally!

I hate myself when im about to : "It´s time for mah op dps ninja pro skillzzz!!11" and suddenly a cute rabbit appears on my head and everyone around me stop moving.

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Originally Posted by LunaSnowfield

I hate myself when im about to : "It´s time for mah op dps ninja pro skillzzz!!11" and suddenly a cute rabbit appears on my head and everyone around me stop moving.

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Rabbit was too cute

But if we talk about NIN hate, I do hate it when they start spamming Death Blossom on a 4 or less enemies mob :| .... I mean, really? If they wanna kill mobs with AoEs then they should play BLM :|

Sometimes I kassatsu doton to try and build limit meter. Other than that I try to nin as best as I can.

I used to despise the very idea of nin, now I love it(that feeling when you are firing on all cylinders really helps), but if rogue ever became possible at late game I'd consider switching :) .

They might just be hoping that them calling out mistakes will lead to the person being kicked, so they'll have less competition for loot. Kinda lame. If they genuinely wanted to help people getting better, they could do it without shaming them.

Last night, an hour before maintenance, I came out of the worst Halatali "attempt" on Eorzea. My main job is WHM, and I was running Halatali as a level 23(24? I don't remember) MRD.

It wasn't enough that the lancer took off like a loose gazelle in the streets of New York once the barrier dropped, and proceeded to pull a group of monsters, nearly suiciding before I pulled them off her, but the healer... gods, the healer...

He didn't speak English. Words cannot describe how horrible he was. He wasn't even trying to heal, much less fill his gosh darn role. We wiped because of his goof-up, and he proceeded to tell me to use a paladin ability that doesn't cross-class, involving a SHIELD.

...That made me hate my own job.

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Originally Posted by Yurai

If they genuinely wanted to help people getting better, they could do it without shaming them.

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I don't think the people who talk smack in WoD have ever claimed that they wanted to help people get better lol. They are not subtle about enjoying shaming people.

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Originally Posted by Kikoten

...but the healer... gods, the healer...

He didn't speak English. Words cannot describe how horrible he was. He wasn't even trying to heal, much less fill his gosh darn role. We wiped because of his goof-up,...

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I got a similar problem as you. I was a tank. I got all the monster on me. The blm and healer were able to aoe and heal without problem, but the .##@# healer decided to become a DPS. I was using potions to heal myself. I died two times. I ask the healer to cast protect and heals and "she" refused my request. I decided to just leave and use leves to level until the 30 mins penalty was done. I was not going to stay in a party with no cooperation from the healer.

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Originally Posted by Elazu

I main Ninja and always pre-emptively facepalm when I see another Ninja in the party because more often than not, they will never use Huton and put down single target Dotons.

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THIS....

Also. Have you perhaps thought about the fact the guy was just joking?... I like to joke a lot with the whole lolDRG concept, even when I change job, instead of calling it DRG, I call myself lolDRG. I just can't avoid to do references to that strange lore we have about dying dragoons. xDDDD

Or there's also the chance he was just roleplaying... For example, my character is a bossy lala with goddess complex, and... God, I get my laughts when people takes this too seriously and start insulting, etc...

Example:
*PvP battle starts*
My character: "Be glad, you're partying with me, the nameless adventurer, most awesome lalafell in whole Eorzea!..."
*Battle ends, nameless has 22/0*
My character: "As expected! We obviously won thanks to me after all!"
Angry party member: "SHUT THE FUCK UP, NO LIFER".

Example, and this one really happened:
*Nameless heroine joins to tam tara in progress, with arcanist noobish 15 and noobish gear. Does her typical overly-extreme cocky salute and the party members...*
"If you are so good, go and solo the boss"
My character: "Hmpf! It's okay, Topaz, your time to shine, enjoy the show!"
*after 10 minutes of boring long fight*
Party members: "Get a life"

It's incredible funny how they tend to insult the player, for the personality of the character. xD

Next time I see another nin in party I'm going to float the trick attack question, I see some folk just not using it, and others do use it, but we just happen to hit it at the same time >_<;;

Two nins working in synergy can be a sight to behold.

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Originally Posted by Elazu

I main Ninja and always pre-emptively facepalm when I see another Ninja in the party because more often than not, they will never use Huton and put down single target Dotons.

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I don't know where do you get all these people in your parties, whenever I have another Ninja in my party they always use Huton, and the use of Doton on single targets it's not a huge deal tbh, sure, Raiton is the best option in there but meh.

The only problem I see with Ninjas sometimes, is that some of them don't use their combos in order or don't bother with the DoTs and debuffs that their skills apply in combos, most of the time I only see them using Spinning Edge> Gust Slash> Aeolian Edge, over and over again without using anything else.

So from what I've read, the premise of this entire thread is:

"I hate when other people play my job because they aren't as good as I am."

I may be wrong, but that comes off as rather egocentric.

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Originally Posted by Kumabear76

So from what I've read, the premise of this entire thread is:

"I hate when other people play my job because they aren't as good as I am."

I may be wrong, but that comes off as rather egocentric.

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Pardon me, is this better? :)

"Friggen miners, toil is scrub tier and you knows it!"

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Pardon me, is this better? :)

"Friggen miners, toil is scrub tier and you knows it!"

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Because seriously, I can't stand it when I see a crafter around town and they haven't leveled all crafts to 50 yet and gotten all the cross class skills. Friggin scrubs. They're such noobs.

/sarcasm :p

As a SMN main, I can say that very little pisses me off about other Summoners. The only thing that make me facepalm is when people leave Garuda on sic while I tank. PUT IT ON OBEY! THE KNOCKBACK TO ADDS IS ANNOYING AS HELL! I rarely see people using Titan in duties. If they are they are new so it's okay, I correct. Other than that it comes down to how low can you refresh dots to maximize dps, staying in melee range for book smacks when you can, etc. I must admit I turn super elitist lol. I always check gear when I see another Summoner and then see what they do.

As for Blackmage, omg, this one pisses me off a lot, or rather, I facepalm hard. I'm a SMN main. Summoner was my first 50, but Thaumaturge was my starting out class. So I can safely say I'm a true caster. I put in work to master. When I see other BlackMages not doing the right AOE rotation I facepalm. When I see other Blackmages not using Aetherial Manipulation I facepalm. Our teleport is useful as hell to minimize movement. Hell, I sometimes use it for no reason cause it looks cool.

That being said, I do offer advice, I'm not an asshole unless they are dicks themselves.

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Originally Posted by RedAntares

I don't know where do you get all these people in your parties

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I sometimes think I'm the unluckiest person of all time when it comes to solo-queueing in df.