Something I've wondered about T13

Does anyone else wonder if there's some sort of missed mechanic with Teraflare? I remember at one time SE has said that every fight in the game is designed to be winnable with no LB at all(no source on this, but I remember hearing about it quite a bit). With no tank LB or mitigations, teraflare hits for over over 12k damage. This is standing in the neurolink. How exactly are we meant to survive this if the fight is supposed to be winnable with no LB? Just something I thought about for months but never bothered to bring up.

Simple answer: they changed their stance or decided it was ok for the final fight of the raid.

I think they did it because the tank limit break is never used, so they'll create a reason for it to be used, much like Ultima weapon HM

Terraflare was meant to be T13's hard HP check. Which, without crafted gear, you would not be able to meet without sufficient gear. So, one could only assume, without tank LB, you'd need maximum mitigation (Covenant, succor, stoneskin, soil) in order to survive without lb.

they did it, that groups cant bypass the whole add phase by simply using caster lb 3

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Originally Posted by Zantusken

Does anyone else wonder if there's some sort of missed mechanic with Teraflare? I remember at one time SE has said that every fight in the game is designed to be winnable with no LB at all(no source on this, but I remember hearing about it quite a bit). With no tank LB or mitigations, teraflare hits for over over 12k damage. This is standing in the neurolink. How exactly are we meant to survive this if the fight is supposed to be winnable with no LB? Just something I thought about for months but never bothered to bring up.

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Probably survivable if you have every type of mitigation up but not sure. It makes as much sense as DF for t13, certain roles such as WHM + SCH + Bard need to locked in. Without a bard, you wipe during phase 3 no matter what cuz whm ran out of mp. Most of the time, if you get sch + sch or whm + whm, you do nothing but waste 15minutes to just abandon.

You can survive it without LB

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Originally Posted by Staris

You can survive it without LB

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With tank LB2 and buffs you're hit for 6.5k'ish. I'd like to see how a group would manage to survive Teraflare without LB at all, without melding a huge ton of VIT materia.

30 vit, 110 crafted vit right side,
adlo on everyone (non tank), stoneskin on everyone
ect ect

very doable, just not reasonable when you can just tank LB.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrZ

Without a bard, you wipe during phase 3 no matter what cuz whm ran out of mp.

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I was running T13 nearly every day last weeks. There were rarely some fights without unnecessary damage and I got it manages to heal these fights without ballad (solo healed phase 3). In one fight I was really surprised. Had more than 2k mana left.

Its doable without bard, but heavily depends on a close to perfect group.

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Originally Posted by Staris

30 vit, 110 crafted vit right side,
adlo on everyone (non tank), stoneskin on everyone
ect ect

very doable, just not reasonable when you can just tank LB.

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The question of the OP is what SE intended, and it is insane to think your crazy vit stacking work around is more intended than simply using tank LB.

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

they did it, that groups cant bypass the whole add phase by simply using caster lb 3

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Think this is right.

Also pretty cool to see a giant wall come up when Teraflare is going off.

I'm just disappointed that Bahamut's enrage is simply a long cast Gigaflare. I mean, we have been dealing with that attack all throughout the fight. What is different this time? I think it would be better for his enrage to be a second Teraflare, as this time you won't have a Neurolink available to save yourselves.

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Originally Posted by BristolRuss

I'm just disappointed that Bahamut's enrage is simply a long cast Gigaflare. I mean, we have been dealing with that attack all throughout the fight. What is different this time? I think it would be better for his enrage to be a second Teraflare, as this time you won't have a Neurolink available to save yourselves.

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Yeah, would've been cool if the cast was for Teraflare and at the end he flew away to go murder everyone.

Because the hardest boss in the game needs a sure kill move that needs tank limit break.

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Originally Posted by BristolRuss

I'm just disappointed that Bahamut's enrage is simply a long cast Gigaflare. I mean, we have been dealing with that attack all throughout the fight. What is different this time? I think it would be better for his enrage to be a second Teraflare, as this time you won't have a Neurolink available to save yourselves.

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It's is like Genkidama in DBZ. The longer it casts, the stronger it is :D Think like, Bahamut gathering all his rage xD

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Originally Posted by Dererk

Because the hardest boss in the game needs a sure kill move that needs tank limit break.

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It's pretty fitting to be honest, since we don't get enough tank LB fights in the game. Plus it wouldn't have been a strict DPS check if one could just caster LB the last adds.

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

they did it, that groups cant bypass the whole add phase by simply using caster lb 3

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Prior to patch it was impossible to skip/bypass any adds. Post patch, the only adds that can be skipped are the shadow. If you have lb3 by time you get to add phase kuDos, my group post echo barely hit lb2 then we campout and do sing a longs waiting for terraflare. From what ive heard is its possible to live thru TF cuz echo, but we still tank lb anyways

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Originally Posted by repoe

Prior to patch it was impossible to skip/bypass any adds. Post patch, the only adds that can be skipped are the shadow. If you have lb3 by time you get to add phase kuDos, my group post echo barely hit lb2 then we campout and do sing a longs waiting for terraflare. From what ive heard is its possible to live thru TF cuz echo, but we still tank lb anyways

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when your group progressed t13 with ilvl <115 you had lb3 for sure, except you had to use a lb bar in some other way before

you can just nearly 1 shot both sins + blood + pain + ghosts, where many groups struggled during their early progression periods

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Without a bard, you wipe during phase 3 no matter what cuz whm ran out of mp.

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Hahahah, you need a new WHM

One of the first clears on my server did not have a bard, and this was in November. If your WHM needs a bard at this point they are not very good.

I think it might be possible with Adlo and stoneskin on everyone that isn't a tank, the faerie buff for magic defense, sacred soil, and then everyone else popping their own defensive buffs. Fists of earth, apoc on the drg, manaward (not sure if it works) etc. This would require food and vitality potions too.