Hitting level 50.. ouch!

So I've recently hit level 50 for the first time. Leveling was absolutely a joy, people were friendly and I had a lot of fun tanking dungeons.

Then I got to level 50. I am trying to gear up through the guide on reddit. I had to complete the praetorium and wanderer's palace, and all I'm getting is "No hp, noob, let's kick, get some better gear" etc. People just aren't very friendly because all they can think of is racing through their daily content. What a horrible experience, elitist jerks :o

Sorry for the rant, was a great outlet lol. Won't stop tanking, but I will most likely only do it with my FC from now on :)

Yeah, the community can be pretty crappy. But there are nice people too, luckily. Most of the time you'll run into people who're neither mean nor nice, just not too talkative, those are fine, too.

Rather than restricting yourself to FC-only runs, how about bringing a friend? As a tank you get fast queues, and a DPS player will appreciate that - and as soon as you're 2 people in a 4 player instance, you, in theory, have the option to kick whoever is causing trouble, as long as you kick them first. It's not a fine thing to do, but if you come across someone who's really asking for it, it's a better option than taking their abuse, or being kicked by them. Just make sure not to become an abusive jerk yourself - there's plenty tanks of that caliber out there already.

Geez... yeah, it's kinda common for it to happen now, when you're just hitting lvl50 with your first job. People are just too used swimming in memoquartz and can't understand that you'll need a bit of time to trade for a "proper" gear.

I was accompanying a friend to help him do his first lvl50 dungeons lately and people were always complaining about his HPs and ilvl50-70...

Don't let it get to you. It is a laughable behaviour, so you should just laugh it off.

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Originally Posted by Tomba

So I've recently hit level 50 for the first time. Leveling was absolutely a joy, people were friendly and I had a lot of fun tanking dungeons.

Then I got to level 50. I am trying to gear up through the guide on reddit. I had to complete the praetorium and wanderer's palace, and all I'm getting is "No hp, noob, let's kick, get some better gear" etc. People just aren't very friendly because all they can think of is racing through their daily content. What a horrible experience, elitist jerks :o

Sorry for the rant, was a great outlet lol. Won't stop tanking, but I will most likely only do it with my FC from now on :)

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Want to help solve this? Report the offender. I'm serious. I report ppl all the time for being rude or harassing. You know what? The GM always contacts me after my report and pursues the issue. They can and will check chatlogs for the instance you were in and will deal with the offender.

I'm not saying report them in the forums either (that can be temp ban on you for player shaming), use the ingame support option to report harassment. Works like a charm.

Don't waste time replying to jerks and elitists, let them spew their obscenities and rage and be nasty, then report them and kick em where it hurts. Most times the offender will get a temp ban and hopefully learn their lesson.

Ya, sadly those *story* dungeons became a speed run gimmick for quick tomes (not sure why people even still farm it). The best thing I can recommend is to set up FC runs like you said or put up a Party Finder for "Dungeon Runs & Gearing Up" and then you can tailor your message to find like minded people or others who need to gear up as well.

Keep it up though, there are those of us who are willing to help and not insta kick fresh 50's lol. Also, follow AreeyaJaidee's advice and report the offender if they are sincerely harassing you or others.

Let them kick you if they're going to be dicks, they can have fun sitting around waiting for the in progress queue to pop, and you can instantly get into a fresh run with some less impatient people.

Also, start doing the Crystal Tower raids as soon as possible, they're very forgiving even for people who barely meet the item level requirement, and are a great way to get geared fast.

Yeah... in total agreement. You should report them for harassment. All other arguments about Castrum and Prae aside, you should not under any circumstances do this to a fresh-50, all of us had to go through that phase.

Nobody sprung into game fully leveled with their BiS on.

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Originally Posted by JimboTCB

Also, start doing the Crystal Tower raids as soon as possible, they're very forgiving even for people who barely meet the item level requirement, and are a great way to get geared fast.

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This... Very much this.... As a tank(in your case you'll be an offtank) in the crystal towers you'll have it really easy... Unless you are maintanking, your Ilvl doesn't really matter(up to the last part Wod at least) and you can spam the raids for easy soldiery tomes and geardrops... Once you reach 80-90ish Ilvl you wont receive alot of hate for your gear, at least in my experience.. You will also have high enough gear to cope with ilvl 115-120+ dps jobs(for the most part anyway). At ilvl90+ you can pretty much do whatever you want outside of coil and some extreme primal fights, so just keep at it, you'll get there...

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In my experience I have foundnd there are more friendly players than rude ones, and a lot of the time rude one's get kicked over low geared or new players. So don't let this get you down. (:

But, of course, I've had experiences with groups of rude players. Its not fun, and I usually just leave instead of dealing with it.

I, as a healer, don't mind low geared tanks if they are doing their job well and not over pulling. I usually only have a problem with them if they pull to much, if they focus more on DPS < Surviving or the DPS are taking too much damage and I have to heal them too (though as a SCH it usually isn't that big of a deal).

Thank you for your tips and encouraging words. I decided to try the roulette in order to get tomes and entered Castrum Meridianum. I told them I was new, had no gear and no idea how to do the dungeon. They were actually really nice and taught me how to pull etc. Very good experience ^^

DPS who are overgeared can usually tank all those lower end dungeons without any problem anyway. If I roll into a dungeon with an undergeared tank I usually just tell them not to sweat it if they lose hate. It's not like they are hard dungeons in current gear.

Also remind the complainers that prae and WP were being speed ran with full ilvl 60-70 groups when they were first released and they have been nerfed since then. If they think a lesser geared tank is a huge issue they are likely just bads.

I've had nothing but good experiences as a fresh pld which was my first class. My biggest pieces of advice for you would be this.
1. As a tank I don't go into a new place without at least watching a video on it or reading a guide. The one exception being if I'm with a majority FC run and someone is explaining as we go.
2. Let the group know you are new if it's a 8 or 24 man and you would prefer to OT. They will likely already have figured it out, but it can't hurt to give them a heads up if there is more than one new person or someone just didn't see the notification.

3. Run low-level and main scenario (you really don't need an OT in these anymore so as long as you don't get someone as fresh as you, you are good) roulette for sol tomes. I've only done main a few times b/c I was worried about being the better geared tank without any experience, but never ran into that problem. The few times I did do it the group and other tank was very supportive and urged me to tank some of the bosses knowing I wouldn't be able to hold enmity 100% just so I got the feel for them. Also just running low-level over and over gives you more of a handle on working in groups good and bad. If you can learn to hold hate again 130 synced down players with only 2-3 skills you can probably do it higher up.
4. Join a hunt LS for sol tomes and allied seals. I was able to go from ilvl 70 to 100 in 2 days of moderate hunting just from going on hunts. Sometimes when spawns are on a role you can buy one piece of gear after maybe an hour of hunting.

Atoxs, you can bypass the silly character limit by editing your first post to add to it. Dumb restriction on Square's part. c:

Threads like this do make me wonder why some people get angry at new players going through old content like the main scenario roulette's dungeons. The roulette system was explicitly made to encourage experienced players to go back through this content with new players who just happen to need it. Anyone who gets angry at seeing new players in their roulette is just plain laughable.

I'm sorry you ran into that. :c

Honestly, as a DPS or healer I never mind getting a new-ish tank as long as they know their limits. Pulling one group at a time is fine - the healer can DPS too. If you're comfortable doing more, awesome. I don't see why people get so bent out of shape and want to kick a new player. All it takes is an extra five minutes of your time - five minutes you get rewarded for if the player is new to the instance - and you probably make someone's day in the process. I dunno, as long as the new person doesn't get hurt over advice or constructive criticism (Don't tell me how to play my class!!!! - we've all run into those and they deserve no mercy) I'd rather take the time to help them out.

Then again, I kinda have a soft spot for new tanks. They get me right in the feels. :3

I went through this problem in CM a few times when me and another tank were low on ilvl and health. I called them tunnel vision. Because their minds are only focus on the goals and forgot what it was or how it feels to start from the bottom. Honestly it's kind of good you had to go through this experience. Why? Now you know how to treat players especially the more challenging roles like healers or tanks. Use this as a reason why you should treat people how you want to be treated and share tips and advice as you wanted it back then.

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Originally Posted by Tomba

Won't stop tanking, but I will most likely only do it with my FC from now on :)

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Many do this, and my bet is this is the true reason of tank shortage in Duty finder. ;)
I myself only do duty finder with guildmates. the only random duty I do is the daily lowlevel to push my BLM to 26. (I got a hunch I might need it when DRK comes out ;))