Inter-class/job weapon glamouring. (a concept)

Before I get started, i would like to state that i know how tricky this would be to put in, and that i just really wanted to throw this idea out there.

With classes/jobs we get locked in to 1 or 2 weapon types, which is due to the unique armory system we've got. What i suggest today is the ability to glamour weapons from other jobs/classes (Relics excluded) onto a class/job that usually doesn't have the ability to use it.

For example, a BLM wielding a staff that is glamoured to look like a book.

For DoM classes, this is relatively easy, since their weapons are not what they use to attack. However, when we get to DoW classes, it gets more difficult, because DoW classes directly use their weapons to fight.

So i've made this chart, displaying what could possibly be mixed/matched between them (this includes heavensward jobs)

Archer<->Machinist
Marauder<-> Dark Knight
Dragoon->Paladin (a spear and board tank)
Dragoon (possibly)<->Marauder
Ninja<->Paladin (If you can get behind the idea of paladins having a dagger, or a ninja having a sword)
Monk<-ninja (monks could still punch people, but while holding daggers or something)

And that's all i could think of for DoW at the moment.

Again, DoM are completely interchangeable without much difficulty.

And, just incase anyone forgot, Glamouring is the act of projecting the shape and appearance of one object onto another, while still actually wielding the original item.

I do wish to flesh out this idea some other time, but i just really wanted to throw it out there. Tell me what y'all think about it.

I'm pretty sure that would go completely against the 'glamour should not alter the distinctive look of each class' reasoning we'd been given in the past.

I don't know if you've ever seen MAR/WAR animations but they would look exceptionally stupid executed with a spear, vice versa for Goons.

I want to be able to use Mauls/Hammers as a Warrior, and Maces/Light hammers as a Paladin.

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Originally Posted by Ramien

I'm pretty sure that would go completely against the 'glamour should not alter the distinctive look of each class' reasoning we'd been given in the past.

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Which' poor reasoning because tanks can look like cloth-wearers.

Not only that, whether I change Jobs or not, I'm still the same person & should be able to handle myself in heavier armor across all Jobs if I have a tank raised.

I want to make my fist weapons invisible, so it looks like I am attacking with my bear hands. Let's make it happen SE.

It would make a bunch of animations look weird.

I want to use a frying pan instead of a spear or Lance as a dragoon.


Or better yet an ambelic in place of my bow on my bard, it makes sense to shoot arrows from that right?

This wouldn't be tricky to put in at all, but they won't do it.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

I want to be able to use Mauls/Hammers as a Warrior, and Maces/Light hammers as a Paladin.

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Won't happen - besides the obvious restriction that your class is identified by your weapon or tool - hammers in FFXIV are tools used by BSM and are not weapons. MRD and it's WAR upgrade use two-handed great axes. GLA and it's PLD upgrade use a single handed sword and shield. If you're hoping for multiple weapon types on the one class like FFXI had, you'll be disappointed. The Armoury System simply does not allow that I'm sorry to say, even with glamours.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

If you're hoping for multiple weapon types on the one class like FFXI had, you'll be disappointed. The Armoury System simply does not allow that I'm sorry to say, even with glamours.

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The armory system already handles this exact concept with black and white mages, who are able to wield two handed staves and also wands with shields. It clearly isn't impossible for one job to use more than one type of weapon.

But even if this wasn't the case statements like "I want to wield maces as a Paladin" carry the obvious implications that the speaker wants something different than already exists.

It's like if I said "I want pizza" and your answer would be "But there is no pizza in this room". You might be right, but the statement was implying that we should go get pizza. Yes, the armory system doesn't currently allow Paladins to have maces, but that doesn't mean that can't be changed.

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Originally Posted by WellFooled

The armory system already handles this exact concept with black and white mages, who are able to wield two handed staves and also wands with shields. It clearly isn't impossible for one job to use more than one type of weapon.

But even if this wasn't the case statements like "I want to wield maces as a Paladin" carry the obvious implications that the speaker wants something different than already exists.

It's like if I said "I want pizza" and your answer would be "But there is no pizza in this room". You might be right, but the statement was implying that we should go get pizza. Yes, the armory system doesn't currently allow Paladins to have maces, but that doesn't mean that can't be changed.

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In other words, this thread is asking for additional weapon types per job.

Thinking about it, it's pretty much the same thing because it is unlikely that they will make different weapon types have an effect in combat.

A big problem with adding additional weapon options, even as just glamours, is that new weapon animations will almost certainly have to be added. As an example, PLD has a very distinctive stabbing motion that they perform when they use Spirits Within. If a PLD was to be given a Hammer as an alternate weapon or glamour, that motion would need to be redesigned. While possibly badass if you could actually pull it off, stabbing someone with a hammer just isn't the right way to use that weapon.

CNJ and THM can get away with their one-hand vs two-hand options for the simple fact that they don't HAVE weapon animations beyond their melee thwack (which, conveniently, looks just as good - or just as silly - when performed with a staff or a wand). ALL DoW jobs, on the other hand, use their weapons in all kinds of flashy animations, most of which would look quite silly when performed with any weapon other than their signature one.

Giving these jobs alternate weapon options is not impossible - but it's definitely not simple and there's not really any good reason for it aside from satisfying players who want to be a specific class but are jelly of the weapons used by another class.

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Originally Posted by WellFooled

The armory system already handles this exact concept with black and white mages, who are able to wield two handed staves and also wands with shields. It clearly isn't impossible for one job to use more than one type of weapon.

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Maybe in 1.0, but in ARR there is only the "one-hand staff with shield" animation, even while wearing a two-hand staff.

The idea of the OP go against the "weapon decide the class" philosophy the armory system have since 1.0. New weapon types would come with new classes or new jobs.
We have to see the character as one unity. You pick up a pan and you are a culinarian, because you start to cook something. You pick up a bow and you are an archer, because you start to shoot with arrows. An archer who fight with a lance is not an archer, he is a lancer in this moment.