Arcanist/Summoner/Scholor - New Traits/Skills

Arcanist - lvl52 Trait Chaos and Ruin-

Ruin, Ruin 2 and Tri-disaster have there potency increased by 35. and addition there is 15% chance to instant cast Bio 2, Bio 3 miasma

Arcanist -lvl55 Trait Lord of Shadows - Shadow Flare's DMG is increased by 15+ Additional Damage : Additional Effect - Increase's Healing Done too allies by 10% Increase's damage done to enemies by 5% increased slow 10%

Arcanist - lvl60 - Primal Rage - Your Pet's become enraged. automatically when you encounter "boss like" monsters this triggers every 3 min's also has automatic cool-down

this deep-inly strengthens the damage/healing done by your pets by additional 35% for 10 seconds

Bio 3 - Deals 45 Potency every 3 seconds for 36 seconds additional effect: Damage Down 3.0 cast time (cool-down 1 min)

Black Hole - Deals 340 All Targets Damage - additional effect - Gravitational Pull (Pulls All monster's Compact at target location) ((1 min cool-down)) ( this mostly for sucking up monsters gathering the up for one place (utility) (this epic burst damage aoe. however its cool-down limits it use making it different then holy/flare. it still cost great deal of MP. and requires a bit of skill on scholar or summoner's too use effectively ((might want to let macro doing a count down before releasing a Black-Hole so tanks know what to do))

Evokar Stance - Increase's healing done you and your pet by 20% however reduces damage you do by 30% or increases damage you do by 20% but reduce's healing received by 30% by you and your pet. this buff lasts until you switch stance's or die


Summoner's
Shiva - Egi
Ramuh - Egi
Leviathen Egi
Scourge - Cost 1 Aetherflow - Damage's All enemies around feild of effect by 35 potency every 2 seconds for 30 seconds. in additons monsters who are killed by bio, maisma or scourge. will explode dealing 80 potency aoe

Scholar -
Saki- (New Fairy) Specialty ->Group Healing (Upgraded Eos)
Embrace - self explanatory
Moon Dance - Heals the Party 200 Potency and addition 100 potency every 3 seconds for 30 seconds 3 min cd
Lunar Eclipse - (Moon Dance must be active) (Removes Moon Dance "regen" heals Party for 450 Potency 3 min cd
Fey Sanctify - Grants "3 hit" damage reduction to full party by 20% 3 min cd

Rainbow Dust - 1 Aetherflow Summons a Healing Rainbow that bounce's from player to player healing about 600 potency and shields "Gives them auto-leech" for 10 seconds.
however Rainbow' Dust randomly heals player with weakest health once it they are healed it seek out another but reduce its potency by 100 each time it bounce's and never hits same target twice

Aethertap - Instant-Cast Heals for 300 Potency but MP/TP 15% this heal has a 1 min cool-down per use

Blessed Mark of Healing - "Mark's Target" every time a member of your party is "Healed" the marked target will also be healed. this works only on single target spells. but also helps other healer's this is amazing buff

Right so I read over this post of yours and well... It's not good. I'm gonna break down my thoughts on it;

The increases to current skills: Sure ok I get this one, being the base spells they could probably do with a little boost since you do use them while Fester is down on SMN, or when you don't need Dots or to heal as SCH. Tri Disaster has been needing a buff for a while so that'd be nice... However making the dots have a chance to be instant cast? No, that would be far too broken. So yes to damage buffs, but that other stuff, no.

Primal Rage: Considering the 40% buff to attack power you get when using Rouse and Spur, adding on even more to this would be a little broken especially with how much you want it to do/how often it triggers. So no this would be a bad idea.

Bio 3: While I do imagine they will be adding more dots to our rotation, your description is not good for this. A constant damage down effect could continually be tossed up with this, and if you toss in what Paladin already has with Rage of Halone lowering strength, this one is a bust. Add in the fact Warrior can ALSO do this makes it a moot effect... We have Virus for lowering damage you know.

Black Hole: While I agree we could use a better AoE than tri disaster, this doesn't work with the whole 'gather enemy' thing. Could you imagine the number of trolls who would use this just to piss a lot of people off in something? I can cause people probably would.

Evokar Stance: Sch can use Cleric Stance for a reason, so not needed. Next.

Scourge: Doesn't seem necessary to be honest. Seems like a badly tweaked shadow flare.

Pets: We're quite likely going to get these sooner or later, that much is given. A third fairy is not reeeally needed though maybe give Eos a kind of aoe heal for level 55 or something. (Also Saki? Sounds like you kind of want something with your name to be part of the game Sakura.)

Rainbow Dust: Breaking the class 101 right here. Sure you have your little reduction thing... but healing and Leeches in the same go? No. This is a ridiculous idea and just doesn't make any sense to how a healer is supposed to work.

Aethertap: Lustrate is all I'm going to say about this one. Also using 15% of your MP for a 300 potency heal? Are you insane?

Blessed Mark of Healing: In short, broken like your rainbow dust thing. Getting what would be basically a free heal on a player while healing someone else? Hell no, that would make SCH a damn joke to bother playing (And yes I play both SMN and SCH so I know what I'm talking about here.)


In conclusion to everything you've posted here... No. A lot if not all of these little suggestions would make the class worse not better. Does some stuff need to be tweaked? Sure it does but making it so over the top like you're suggesting? Not going to happen... I don't really get why so many people think that SMN/SCH needs all these weird changes done to it, I've been playing the class since I started a year and a half ago and it doesn't add up to what I know.

A SMN is already a killer with single target DPS (my dots + Fester + Pet damage can soar up there with criticals.) It also makes for good back up with the Resurrect spell it has and is rather versatile in what it can do.

A WHM/SCH combo is also pretty amazing. A lot of people get on it for it's lack of super group heals like WHM but those barriers it has it what it's true purpose is. The WHM does the group healing while the SCH mitigates damage while getting back up from the pet.

So please do us a favor, stop trying to break what's currently not broken please. We're bound to see a lot of good changes to classes when the expansion drops and to be perfectly blunt? We won't see anything you suggested here.

Remember when people were able to express themselves by offering their opinions and ideas without being engulfed in flames?

Some of these ideas have some merit, although many of them are just slightly modified versions of spells arcanists already have.

I like the idea of a chain heal (although I agree what you listed is a bit too much. Heals shields and auto leeches? No can do) or even a mark heal. It's been done before in other games, it isn't game breaking so long as content is designed with that plays type in consideration.

Blackhole also sounds do cool but it might be a little too much.

Overall I like the basic ideas of a lot of what you posted, I just think most of them might be a bit overpowered.

I'm pretty much of the opinion that scholar really don't need any super spells. They're pretty bad așș as is.

Summoners on the other hand do seriously need some developer love.

Anyway I say do us a favor and keep posting ideas if its something you like to do. But understand that its generally unlikely that they will get used. You never know though. We may very well could see something similar to something any of us have posted. It just might not be quite as exactly the same. Some people don't understand that when you start squelching ideas it closes the players off from the developers and tends to alienate the playerbase. That's not conducive for game growth.

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Originally Posted by Robert_Ilcri

So please do us a favor, stop trying to break what's currently not broken please. We're bound to see a lot of good changes to classes when the expansion drops and to be perfectly blunt? We won't see anything you suggested here.

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And you need to stop with this. It's not up to you to decide who gets to post what, that's what mods are for, and your overall demeanor in this is more detrimental to this game than her posting her ideas.

Reason why posted black hole i noticed some issue's with bane. lets say if the tank pulls whole group of monster's doesn't hit them at all in fact "3-4 at much" i don't know if it is awful range bane has or limited about targets its allowed to hit. over all "Shadow flare is nice" more level's we gain over 50 we gain. even with gear more pathetic it will become. we already have a massive dps drop do the limited propar gear . most of gear end game is maid for black mage. and white mage

There not benefiting for a summoner scholar. I should know what talk-in about when am at t9 on my scholar . and ive seen high allagin gear. wod gear and the gear inside for peotics

Summoner/Scholar and Black mage/white mage use two-different stat set's share the same gear "bad" yes


Black hole isn't meant too have massive-range - they have added ability like this before in final fantasy 11 watch was very useful. during big pulls. yes it would have some range too not no big range too it.. what it does it sucks things on the tank or near the tank making bring them into bane range compacting monster's making them aoe down . like i said this ability utility. if people troll with this ability. this is player base problem not the ability it always gonna be so ass. not has same range as shadow range - sucks all monsters directly into middle. this makes it easier to land bane and hit them all. i also see this working tri-disaster and miasma 2 . pro player who knows how blackhole can also easily pull monsters away from maintanks towards the off-tank making it easier to deal with adds in boss fight

((Blackhole doesn't suck up bosses however))

Scholar is my primary class. and so i know this one good enough say what it needs.

We need a pet that is better the Eos. and Pet Healing AI needs be updated. ((cause there stupid even with macros))
We need a better team heal that isn't a copy of the white-mage's abilities "coughs Phyheal and Cure"
We need too make Psyheal to be different then Cure ((we don't need two cross class abilities that are copy/paste job of one another. they need there own organically make-up)

Blessed Mark of Healing - reason why suggested this cause we have no team healing capably even with macro succor+ability its not strong enough against big damage, this requires you take away main focus watch is the tank and heal dps prevent any deaths. so don't have swift-cast raise too early.

this type ability has been in other game's it was not broken. was actually very good. scholar's never really been known for team-heals we focused on powerful single target heal's if we healed someone else like dps and tank gets healed at same time don't see how this is game breaking

I see this as its a base idea that need adjustiments

I really like that Black Hole idea... A player based draw in would be so epic and useful. You could BH > Tri Disaster and have a tank snap aggro the whole bunch. Very interesting.

Well bane has a cap on it. It will only hit three other mobs, it doesn't matter if there's 6 standing right on top of one another it will only spread to 3 targets. Thats actually some of the complaints for bane as the many "please fix summoners" threads have shown. That and tri-disaster being of the utmost uselessness.

Personally my thoughts were.. The chain heal is good as long as it's a lower potency heal and works similar to rest shaman in WoW. As the heal skips to the next target it reduces it's effectiveness. Say first target his for 100% potency, second for 50%, third for 25%, drop the shilding and the leeches buff and you have something that completely doable in this game.

I could see the mark heal too (which is something holy paladins can do in WoW) as a whm ability just sort of as a balancer. I would change that spell to cast 100% potency on the marked target, but not for free, maybe 50% off.

Blackhole could be very useful if bane had it's cap removed, and still useful for shadow flare. Provided of course that the damage is relatively low for the ability, and the pull as the main effect of the spell. As for trolling and people using the spell to mess with people, it wouldn't be any worse than garuda or emerald carby's knock back or the knock back cnj/whm has on fluid aura. At least this one has a focal point and doesn't just blast the target far away

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Originally Posted by AreeyaJaidee

I really like that Black Hole idea... A player based draw in would be so epic and useful. You could BH > Tri Disaster and have a tank snap aggro the whole bunch. Very interesting.

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I had suggested a draw ability quite some time ago in a SMN thread, but I think having it as a Leviathan "Whirlpool" ability would be sufficient. Adding more Egis means that they need to have something that makes them unique. Having Leviathan be able to gather mobs together for Bane or other AoE's would give him that utility.

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Originally Posted by Darkstride

I had suggested a draw ability quite some time ago in a SMN thread, but I think having it as a Leviathan "Whirlpool" ability would be sufficient. Adding more Egis means that they need to have something that makes them unique. Having Leviathan be able to gather mobs together for Bane or other AoE's would give him that utility.

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Hell yeah 100% agree with you on that, either way they do it, a draw in would be epic!

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Originally Posted by Sakurakiss123

Black hole isn't meant too have massive-range - they have added ability like this before in final fantasy 11 watch was very useful. during big pulls.

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Like the people from SE have said, this is NOT, and will NOT be Final Fantasy XI. I don't know why people like to compare that game to XIV so much.

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Originally Posted by Sakurakiss123

Scholar is my primary class. and so i know this one good enough say what it needs.

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Do you? I know a lot of people that have X as their main class, and they don't know everything about it. There's a scholar in the final coil raid group I'm in, and they do their job PERFECTLY. There are chances you don't fully know your class yet, and haven't been taught properly.


Also your 'Blessed Mark of Healing' ability is'a bit broken. Not only do you have a pet to help while you're healing, you're asking to heal a third target. Meaning you'd be putting up two Adloquiums at the same time. Also Scholar can do well enough with their group heals/barriers.


You know that one way to beat T1 a while back was solo tanking with two scholars going back and forth putting up their barriers? Plus when you have a Scholar and White Mage together it works like two gears in a clock (Meaning it works pretty damn well). Scholar putting up barriers/mitigating the damage, while the white mage is doing the group heals.

And if you think your pet is 'stupid' then you should try controlling it yourself, I don't have issues with mine, including just hitting heel when the tank is grabbing a huge group

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Originally Posted by Havenae

Remember when people were able to express themselves by offering their opinions and ideas without being engulfed in flames?

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And remember that this is a 'suggestions and feedback' forum, where people can post what they think about other suggestions. Sorry you think that being blunt is the same as flaming people. And with how you're wording that, you are basically saying for people to not post if they don't say something positive about something.

My 2 cents:

• My ideas for arcanists are based around them being tacticians/planners rather than twitch reactors.
• A trait that lets Bane hit more targets would be interesting but I think unlikely because the limit of 3 extra targets only really affects speed runs.
• Eos and Selene are sisters from Greek mythology. The only other sibling is Helios. I don't know the Japanese version of the fairy names so this might be irrelevant.
• Yes, more crowd control skills would be awesome and fit with how I think of arcanists.
• I like the draw-in idea. I'd really like to combine that with a self-centered heavy/bind ability.
• For Shadow Flare, rather than a flat increase in damage I want a gradual increase the longer the mob is continuously in the aoe. Like increasing stacks of a debuff. It would have to be capped though.
• If scholars get another fairy I would expect something that increases defense (more than Eos' magic defense buff) or applies something like eye for an eye on the party.
• Likewise for new scholar spells I'd want something that buffs the target for a short time.
• To work on the burst damage issue for summoners I'd imagine a "land mine" ability - you place a mine that detonates in 4 seconds doing large aoe damage to anything around it. If you know where and when the adds show up you can have the mine in place before they even appear. Or it makes tri-disaster suddenly have a use. Or plant mine -> black hole -> bind -> kaboom.
• I expect the new summons to have debuff abilities like paralysis and heavy.

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Originally Posted by Sagittarian

My 2 cents:

• A trait that lets Bane hit more targets would be interesting but I think unlikely because the limit of 3 extra targets only really affects speed runs.
  

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Fun fact - when SMN was released, Bane passed to all targets in range. They said SMN was too OP so they limited it to 3 and took away our ability to cross class thunder at the same time.

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Originally Posted by m3eansean

Fun fact - when SMN was released, Bane passed to all targets in range. They said SMN was too OP so they limited it to 3 and took away our ability to cross class thunder at the same time.

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Yeah, I remember that. I didn't have bane at the time but I remember losing thunder as a cross-class ability.
I also agree that it is OP to bane to 10+ things and even if the SMN dies those dots keep on ticking... But most mobs are grouped in packs of 3 or 4 so the limit on bane doesn't hinder SMN for runs taking one pack at a time. Removing it would make SMN much more powerful outside of dungeons and in speed runs, but increasing the appeal of SMN for speed runs (which already seem to be discouraged by the design of the new dungeons) doesn't seem like something they would create a new trait for. I'm not saying it wouldn't be welcomed by the players, just that I think it unlikely that it is something the developers would want to (re)add.

http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/f/54...ffc0_96x96.jpg

You say that SCH is your main and by looking at this I can tell. You are bias toward it, only thinking of how to make it super amazeballs without thinking about the other classes that will be affected by your suggestions. I main SCH right now and all I can say is that these are bad ideas. SCHs don't need a new fairy. The fairies aren't there to be powerful healing bots, they are there to support a SCH, without them SCHs would be garbage. With them they are balanced. SCHs are also not suppose to step on the toes of WHMs, so giving them more heals (especially group wide, and powerful or DoHs) is bad.

And honestly if you find the fairy being "stupid" that may have something to do with you more than the AI. I have no problems with them and only control Eos (not embrace) and only have one macro set for her. Selene is great while on Sic, and Eos does what I need her too when I tell her too. If you have Embrace macro'd, remove it.

A) Summoners lost the ability to bane 3+ targets to discourage speed runs.... Back then if you couldnt speed run you got booted or tanks/heals would troll till you left. Do it, do it fast move on. which is why we have mechanics in place to break that up

B) come xpac we will benifit from spell speed, dots apply faster and tick faster, i already see nerfs coming on this one for being op....

C) Really in the end, playing since launch as smn, i dont see much too "add" or "fix" on summoner. Give us a slight better spammable and shorten initial gap so 2 shot mobs are worth us actualy paying attention to

D) can sume one explain this mana issue smn have? currently in not near bis i can hit around 375-400ish dps and never have mana issues... are you spamming ruin 2? ya are stop it.... 130 mana for a spam is a waste and the blind it gives is pointless, and it dosnt add anything, current gear ruin 1 cast time is = to gcd so not even losing that

This was recently discussed in another thread, but Bane never spread to more than three targets. Its tooltip suggested it did, which is the only thing that was actually changed. The changelog for 2.1 says "Bane - Now correctly states that Bio, Bio II, and Miasma are spread to a maximum of three targets". It even got its range buffed by three yards. :p

That's strange to not allow smn to spread to unlimited target when the current strat for rushing dunjeon is especially to run with BLM ^^'

Anyway, regarding the damages from dots, i would find unlimited spread too op while used with miasma2 + flare + extra Ice

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Originally Posted by Koyuki38

That's strange to not allow smn to spread to unlimited target when the current strat for rushing dunjeon is especially to run with BLM ^^'

Anyway, regarding the damages from dots, i would find unlimited spread too op while used with miasma2 + flare + extra Ice

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It is strange when you consider BLMs can hit whatever happens to be close to their target, but at the same time that whole discussion is only relevant for 4-man dungeon speedruns. Pretty much no endgame content has enough mobs in play at the same time for it to really matter. :p

i think it would be cool if SMN had a combination of attacks to make this amazing attack. Example cast Shadow flare in a spot, cast black hole in the shadow flare to draw in targets. While they are taking damage from both attacks, Tri disaster will have like 40% chance to trigger an after effect called apocalyptic hit targets in the area with a 290 potency explosion.

40% rate for an almost-Fester AOE is clearly too much, that's even better than Fester itself lol

Fester hits as hard a Fire one with astral fire 3. I think that is fine for an AOE plus the cast time on Tri-disaster is dumb long.

Enkindle hits as hard as Firestarter Fire 3 and the cool down should be reduced to 30s.