Lord Lolorito (spoilers)

It appears to me like they have set him up to be a major antagonist of the 3.x series, maybe the main one.

He appears not once but twice in the CGI intro video to Heavensward.

First when Raubahn's arm hits the floor, the next face we see is not Ilberd, but rather Lolorito. Later in the trailer we get another evil pose from him in a dark room intermittently lit by strikes of lightning as brass blades kneel before him, immediately followed by a look at Raubahn captive in a cell.

Lolorito's prevalence in the trailer and the lack of Ilberd makes it look like Lolorito is the evil mastermind behind Ul'Dah's problems and everyone else was pawns in his game. What are your thoughts about this? Could Lolorito have been pulling the strings of Adeledji too? Does he have plans for Ultima Omega? Could he be in cahoots with Ascians?

First off... HI LORE FORUMS! My first post here!!! EEEPPP Long time stalke... reader >.>;

From what I can tell, just my personal perspective and theory, Lolorito has been behind all of this from the very beginning, he's been rather "evil"ish since his 1.0 days as well it seems according to the lore/CS's. There is no doubt in my mind he was pulling everyone's strings, including Teledji's. And it's for *Omega, not Ultima, we've already beaten the Ultima weapon XD

It bothered me that TelAdel had ishgard knights ready to send Aymeric away. Sounded way too convenient. But with TelAdel's death I feel like Lolorito is in league with the Ascians, namely the two behind the Holy See. after all, in the Uldah quests, you are fighting an Ascian that was associated with Lolorito's soldiers. Moreover its been speculated that what TelAdel did was a massive overreach over Lolorito's plans for him, given the scowling at the end--Nanamo was supposed to die (Ilberd saying I killed her and all) but not TelAdel ; not publicly anyway because now it created unnecessary chaos. I'm willing to think that Lolorito didn't mean to get the WoL and Scions framed, since we're more useful being happily unaware. But damage control had to come first.

Now the Monaterists control Ul'dah and the crystal braves but its iron grip is shakey. They cannot completely keep Limsa and Gridania cowed, because it's obvious by Merl's statement to Alphinaud that country comes before the alliance. Omega Weapon will have to be put on hold.

Nah.

Lolo will be a main target for maybe a patch or two, until the real threat is revealed. He's just not menacing (Or interesting) enough to carry the main villain crown for long.

Lolorito is Niddhog... >.>;

I think that by the time 2.55 ends it's pretty clear Lolorito was the puppetmaster behind Ul'dah's political strife in the 2.1-2.55 storyline. Lolorito effectively bought out the Crystal Braves to give himself authority in Mor Dhona, had the Sultana poisoned, framed you for it, exploited Teledji's nature to goad Raubahn into killing him, and tried to have you, Raubahn, and the Scions detained / imprisoned; with that he has effectively usurped all authority in and (to a lesser extent) beyond Ul'dah, as well as cleared the way for the excavation of Omega, all without a drop of blood on his own hands.

The only thing Lolorito didn't seem to predict or prepare for was the Dravanian attack during the feast and Raubahn freeing you. The Dravanian attack actually worked against him since the fiasco would have been a major PR disaster and might have pushed Ishgard away from rejoining the Alliance (which would probably be beneficial to Lolorito), while having you out and about threatens his plans in general. Everything else was orchestrated by him. No doubt Lolorito will be a major antagonistic force in 3.x, but how soon and how we deal with him... I'm not sure yet.

EDIT: I sincerely believe he was puppeteering Teledji to get him to take the fall for the Sultana's murder (as Adeleji was obviously happy with the outcome, but refused responsibility with the grace of a wet dog. Lolorito knew Teledji wasn't responsible but would still gloat about it, and that it would push Raubahn's long-simmering rage past the breaking point). I also believe he may be in cahoots with the Ascians; until the trailer showed him casting a shadow in the thunderstorm I was starting to think Lolorito himself may have been possessed by one.

The only part I don't think Lolorito organised was Ishgard's knights coming.
Rejoining the alliance was a wild card and even he can't organise dragon attacks. Being fanatical zealots to the Ishgard cause, case in point why we went there in the first place (Its utterly outside Ul'Duh's influence) if the monetarists had any power in Ishgard they would of found the surviving scions in days.

That said the planned seemed to go boobs up at the end on his part anyway so it wasn't that ironclad in the first place.

I think that the knights coming was orchestrated by someone, as the attack was a surprise attack no one expected. I would be willing to bet that someone is pulling Ice Heart's strings to make them attack at opportune times, preventing the alliance from coming to full might. I just want to know if Midgarsomr is an ally or yours or not.

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Originally Posted by Metalsmith

I would be willing to bet that someone is pulling Ice Heart's strings to make them attack at opportune times

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It's Always Ascians™

We cannot make sugguestions about if Lorolito is with the Asicians, Garleans or just hymself this soon. For everything I saw on the 2.55 CS and the trailer is still not evidence enought on what could it be the true intentions of him.

I'm pretty sure Lolorito's end game is Omega. The question is how he can distract the other GCs so he can get free access to it. Frankly I suspect he thinks that if he can gain control of it with the scions and WoL out of the way, he will be in a position to dictate terms to the other city states. We are talking about a weapon designed by the Allag to take on Bahamut.

Now I won't be surprised if it runs deeper than that. However I'm pretty sure Omega is key. The Monetarists have moved out of the relative safety of their previous position to seize direct power. They will know they have drawn a lot of hostility and running around the open world talking to npcs shows their current influence outside Ul'dah is limited. Not so much that you can do whatever you want. Your still a wanted fugitive by Ul'dah law and that puts pressure on the other city states. But enough that they can't easily hunt you down or demand the other city states detain you.

It would be interesting if Lolorito is a 3.XX trial boss with Omega. No wait we already had that Ultima fight... Twice. I know, he'll reappear as a boss in the lv 60 culinarian quest so he can embarrass us infront of the Sultana Nanamo... Given the continuity of the lv 50 culinarian quest it would be cannon. A bit awkward, (since were also wanted) but cannon.

The main antagonist in 3.0 should initially be Nidhogg, as Ishgard will have no resources for fixing Eorzean problems until they can stop worrying about their city being burnt to the ground by dragons. Once that's done, I hope we can get Aymeric, Kan-E and Merlwyb together and make a plan to jailbreak Raubahn and realise Nanamo's dream of a free and equal Ul'Dah. How/when Omega ties into that will be interesting.

Then there's a third party who will try to use Alexander to lay waste to something/someone for whatever reason. Death and destruction all around. :D

Also, there's a couple of brass blade NPCs in Ul'Dah that tell you to lay low and they won't say anything sort-of-thing if you walk around the city after finishing the story. Basically, after all you've done for them they're not going to take the Syndicate's word for just anything.

Maybe Omega will be used againt Niddhog in some way and we will have to get it before lolorito in some way.

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Originally Posted by lololink

Maybe Omega will be used againt Niddhog in some way and we will have to get it before lolorito in some way.

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Interesting thought. If it was designed to take on Bahamut, surely using it against his lesser brother wouldn't be impossible. :)

I hope Lolorito isn't involved with the Ascians, or, even better, if he is it's limited to "lol nope I don't want your help, ever noticed how you guys never get anything done?"

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Originally Posted by seekified

Interesting thought. If it was designed to take on Bahamut, surely using it against his lesser brother wouldn't be impossible. :)

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Something people seem to not take into account is that, that's not Bahamut, not in the strictest since. We've never seen Bahamut. The creature that wrecked havoc in the End of an Era was not the "real" Bahamut anymore than King Moggle Mog is the "real" Moggle Mog (assuming he ever actually existed at all), nor is Icehearts Shiva the "actual" shiva from history. Bahamut was long dead by the time Omega weapon was created (the details of which we'll probably get in Heavensward). Omega was designed to take on a Primal, specifically the Bahamut primal. That's a very different thing than a flesh and blood dragon. You can't necessarily "absorb" or otherwise "subjicate" a dragon using something designed to absorb a particular Aetheric entity.

Also, Lesser Brother? That's an awfully big assumption. Given how we know almost nothing about any of Midgardsormr's first brood, I don't think we can put them in a hierarchy just yet ;)

I just hope Shinryu doesn't share in Bahamut's sad fate and get demoted to "son of Midgardsormr" for our omega tie-in. :(

Lolorito effectively controls Rev. Toll under the Crystal Braves, so will have relatively easy access adventurers and countless allagan researchers. Many immortal flames members are also under his control.

I can see him tipping the scales to get Omega weapon

While I could see him being an antagonist in the post 3.0 patches, my own belief is that Teledji's plans were all his own, with Lolorito mostly just keeping tabs/reacting to make sure it worked out better for him in the long run. Raubahn himself said around the time that Omega was revelead that Lolorito was always the better planner of the two, and Teledji going to the extremes that he did could in part be trying to finally surpass him. At the very least even if it was all Lolorito's plan I don't think he expected Teledji to piss off Raubahn...stupid, stupid move.

As for Omega itself...well without Teledji and regardless of Ascian involvment, Lolorito is the one in the best position villiany wise to make a grab for it.

As for controlling RT: I'm not sure how many canon Adventurers there are, but if they try to be too overt they'll probably end up kicked out. At the very least Rowena would probably offer up some nice deals. Hell, we'd probably go for it depending on the deal.

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Originally Posted by treuhavik

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Originally Posted by Abaddon101

I just hope Shinryu doesn't share in Bahamut's sad fate and get demoted to "son of Midgardsormr" for our omega tie-in. :(

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What exactly is the official lore that ties Bahamut to Midgardsormr?

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Originally Posted by Arkanethered

Lolorito is Niddhog... >.>;

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Well, dragons are able to take the form of other races.

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Originally Posted by Kotemon

What exactly is the official lore that ties Bahamut to Midgardsormr?

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It was stated during one of the recent live letters I believe that Bahamut is one of Midgardsormr's 7 sons. We know Nidhog and Tiamat will show up in Havensward according to those statements, as well as more of Bahamut's history being elaborated on. Bahamut most likely died a long time before the Allag empire, as he was summoned by the dragons of Mercydia not so much as a god, but as a great champion. Otherwise, the true bahamut has been missing a long time as his Primal form was sealed in Dalamund. For the longest time I've thought there's more to primals than people really think...

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Originally Posted by Belhi

I'm pretty sure Lolorito's end game is Omega. The question is how he can distract the other GCs so he can get free access to it. Frankly I suspect he thinks that if he can gain control of it with the scions and WoL out of the way, he will be in a position to dictate terms to the other city states. We are talking about a weapon designed by the Allag to take on Bahamut.

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At that point, though, he'd have to take on the Garleans, probably the primals, and almost certainly the Ascians (and don't forget the Dravinians) alone.

That's why I think Lolorito is in league with at least the Garleans, and quite possibly the Ascians and Dravinians too.

Does Lolorito have a full name?

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Originally Posted by Starcade

At that point, though, he'd have to take on the Garleans, probably the primals, and almost certainly the Ascians (and don't forget the Dravinians) alone.

That's why I think Lolorito is in league with at least the Garleans, and quite possibly the Ascians and Dravinians too.

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Lets be clear here. We are talking about a weapon that can kill the Elder Primal that caused at least a major amount of the damage in the Calamity. Bahamut was insanely strong. The Bahamut we fight in T13 is a much smaller weaker version.

Omega was powerful enough to kill that. Its a weapon of mass distruction even stronger than Ultima. Ultima alone was almost enough to force the Eorzean alliance to surrender without fighting.

Lolorito probably figures it would give him the edge against Garlemald while the other city states would probably fall in line both for self preservation and because they would need his power to fight the Garleans. If this weapon is strong enough to take out the strongest Primal we have seen, I doubt the other primals would be much of a threat. As for the Ascians, he probably doesn't see them as enemies and more likely they would help him awaken the weapon just for the chaos and destruction it would bring. The Dravanians likely would be too busy with Ishgard and quite likely wouldn't care about the affairs of the southern countries unless Lolorito showed intentions to enter their lands.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

Lets be clear here. We are talking about a weapon that can kill the Elder Primal that caused at least a major amount of the damage in the Calamity. Bahamut was insanely strong. The Bahamut we fight in T13 is a much smaller weaker version.

Omega was powerful enough to kill that. Its a weapon of mass distruction even stronger than Ultima. Ultima alone was almost enough to force the Eorzean alliance to surrender without fighting.

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To play devil's advocate, it's "possible" Omega's talent is very specific to Primal Bahamut and doesn't translate on the same scale to other entities. To use a somewhat silly analogy (purely to help express my point), if Omega is just a really fancy solar panel that absorbs and traps solar energy (Primal Bahamut's main power), that doesn't mean he's gonna be as effective against a giant primal hammer that smashes solar panels good (even if bahamut would melt the hammer). I'm not saying Omega isn't incredibly power, more powerful than Ultima based on Final Fantasy tradition. But he isn't, necessarily, "killing Top of his game Bahamut" powerful against anyone other than bahamut.

I don't believe Lolorito is the one responsible. The finale had too many red herring's from the maid to Sultana herself.

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Originally Posted by Torquil

I'm not saying Omega isn't incredibly power, more powerful than Ultima based on Final Fantasy tradition. But he isn't, necessarily, "killing Top of his game Bahamut" powerful against anyone other than bahamut.

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Considering the classic theme of Omega being the ultimate anti dragon robot, I don't think it's an anti Primal weapon but indeed and an anti Dragon weapon, with the expansion being all about dragons it seems more likely.

Or that would be funny :

Lolorito : "Mwahahaha I'll crush you with the power of Omega !!!"
Omega : "Can't locate Bahamut. Unable to proceed. Entering sleeping mode."

"Victory music"

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Originally Posted by Torquil

To play devil's advocate, it's "possible" Omega's talent is very specific to Primal Bahamut and doesn't translate on the same scale to other entities. To use a somewhat silly analogy (purely to help express my point), if Omega is just a really fancy solar panel that absorbs and traps solar energy (Primal Bahamut's main power), that doesn't mean he's gonna be as effective against a giant primal hammer that smashes solar panels good (even if bahamut would melt the hammer). I'm not saying Omega isn't incredibly power, more powerful than Ultima based on Final Fantasy tradition. But he isn't, necessarily, "killing Top of his game Bahamut" powerful against anyone other than bahamut.

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While true it's quite likely Lolorito and his cronies may not have considered that Omega may be specialised, particularly since Ultima functioned very effectively against non primal foes.

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Originally Posted by lololink

Considering the classic theme of Omega being the ultimate anti dragon robot, I don't think it's an anti Primal weapon but indeed and an anti Dragon weapon, with the expansion being all about dragons it seems more likely.

Or that would be funny :

Lolorito : "Mwahahaha I'll crush you with the power of Omega !!!"
Omega : "Can't locate Bahamut. Unable to proceed. Entering sleeping mode."

"Victory music"

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Except Omega has always (except for XI and XII) been created for one specific dragon: Shin-ryu. If anything, Omega is ready to go against any major dragon. Omega Mk. XII was designed to fight Yziamat. It could also be reprogrammed to do other things. Either way, during Slaughter matches (at least from the Maelstrom side) you can kind make out Omega when you do platform jumps to the middle. It surrounds the whole field.

I'll acquiesce that given his legacy, it seems likely for Omega to be "strong against dragons".

"Looking for reps for Omega trial. No Au'Ra please." (Hehe)

If the Allagans built a superweapon to combat Primals, it only makes sense they'd build (or procure) a superweapon to combat the Great Wyrms.