Wondering about relics....

So, given that there's already been so many versions of relic weapons, with long quests involved in order to get the next upgrade, I'm wondering how this is all going to play out come heavensward.

When the relic upgrades first came about I have to say I was really disappointed. All that work for a weapon that was still not top-notch. So I basically stopped after a while, because with each update it became more and more apparent they would never be the best weapons you can get, and thus to me are not worth the effort.

I quit playing for a while (not long before the dreams of ice patch) and recently returned, to find (to my surprise) that they received more tiers and are now at least on-par with the alternative highest weapons in the game! While I think this is how it should have been from the start I'm glad they are now.

The thing is, It's awful close to expansion time, so I will not have the time to pursue mine, which is my fault, but it does suck. I started thinking though....are these weapons going to receive yet another upgrade quest in the expansion or are they going to replace them with something else? If the former, perhaps i should start making some progress, if the latter, then I can just wait. Based upon their nomenclature for the relics, I honestly can't see it going any further.

They will add the continuation/sequel of the relic questline in 3.1. It has been confirmed that you don't need to complete the old questline to start it, but there will be "something" for people that have already finished it.

There should definitely be a reward for those who have finished the story, but seriously, how is someone supposed to finish if they started around this time? Perhaps that's the point though, there's a cutoff by design. Now im super curious to know what they will be giving for it :O. Perhaps I should devote all of my time to completing the questline between now and then haha

There's plenty of time to make at least two before the expansion hits. I'm contemplating on starting my third.

That "something" may be a special skill.

I got a quote from someone that said Yoshida "accidentally" revealed that information.

So... If you have your Zeta by 3.1, you "may" get a special weaponskill or spell.

But this is all just speculation.

I just hope they have new people designing the relic quest. I'm not looking forward to another long grind of old content.

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Originally Posted by Brill_

I just hope they have new people designing the relic quest. I'm not looking forward to another long grind of old content.

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They've confirmed it will be "easier", which could be a lightening up of, or complete abolition, of rng involved, or could just be more relic specific content, who knows, but it will be different

What disappoints me on doing it, it's the money. I'm on my 6th book for Curtana and Shield - with no intention on finishing it -, but, thinking that the next step involves melding materias and that they're extremely overpriced... I just don't have the money to do it. I only have 400k and I've seen on reddit, that it takes millions... :(

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Originally Posted by Mizi

What disappoints me on doing it, it's the money. I'm on my 6th book for Curtana and Shield - with no intention on finishing it -, but, thinking that the next step involves melding materias and that they're extremely overpriced... I just don't have the money to do it. I only have 400k and I've seen on reddit, that it takes millions... :(

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Very true and spirit binding is just not reliable enough to get the required materia.
My Bard Relic cost me probably over 2 mil (Novus-Zeta)
Thankfully i have lots of spell speed materia stashed away for my blm relic and Ninja i am at a standstill because of cost of DetIV

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Originally Posted by Mizi

What disappoints me on doing it, it's the money. I'm on my 6th book for Curtana and Shield - with no intention on finishing it -, but, thinking that the next step involves melding materias and that they're extremely overpriced... I just don't have the money to do it. I only have 400k and I've seen on reddit, that it takes millions... :(

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Eh, you could do it on 400k easily. Tier III materia is super cheap. Just because making all crit/det is very expensive doesn't mean it has to be very expensive to finish the weapon. If you just want to get to the next step then use whatever you have/ can get. You can easily put a fair amount of crit and det on it, with some skill speed and/ or accuracy or even parry I suppose. It won't really matter much and can be changed at any time (with more alexandrite and materia, but you don't have to redo the whole thing).

Of course, if 400k is all you have, you'd better save up while doing the Nexus phase because the zodiac phase requires 400k gil in NPC bought items as well as a lot of HQ crafted items (likely to cost even more if you can't make them yourself).

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Originally Posted by Nutz

Eh, you could do it on 400k easily. Tier III materia is super cheap. Just because making all crit/det is very expensive doesn't mean it has to be very expensive to finish the weapon. If you just want to get to the next step then use whatever you have/ can get. You can easily put a fair amount of crit and det on it, with some skill speed and/ or accuracy or even parry I suppose. It won't really matter much and can be changed at any time (with more alexandrite and materia, but you don't have to redo the whole thing).

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Probably for PLD, I think the best option is going for ACC and Skill Speed. I don't think I would invest in Parry, but either way, it's still unaffordable. Imagine a fresh lvl 50 - with just DoM or DoW and no other class -, how can we do money despite using Retainers and converting equips to some materia lvl 1? It's pretty hard to get that amount of money required.

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Originally Posted by Mholito

They will add the continuation/sequel of the relic questline in 3.1. It has been confirmed that you don't need to complete the old questline to start it, but there will be "something" for people that have already finished it.

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I wonder if that "something" you get requires that you have already finished it before starting its replacement, or whether you get that "something" at any point that you finish it. (i.e. whether continuing to work on your relic in parallel with also working on its replacement at the same time would be at all useful.)

From a game design standpoint and simplicity, i'd just have two options;

A. Start Heavensward Relic quest from scratch.
or
B. Turn in Zeta for advantage (skip stage 1)

That's it. Leave it up to the player to decide whether it's worth continuing to Zeta for the headstart, or just start Heavensward Relic from scratch.

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Here's a thought; As a Game Designer, if I STILL wanted to keep the relic/zodiac quest relevant, AND instill a different/distinct value on the Heavensward relic, I'd assign specific advantages to the two like so;

Heavens'Relic = Some new stat/ability tied to the weapon
Current Zeta = Stat customizability

A completed Zeta would carry over the customized stats, while a Zeta-less Heavens'Relic would not benefit from the customized stats, but still have whatever new stat/ability makes that relic unique. People who could care less about secondary attributes won't do the old Relic, and can still have their HeavensRelic, while min/maxers can go the full route.

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Originally Posted by Mholito

They will add the continuation/sequel of the relic questline in 3.1. It has been confirmed that you don't need to complete the old questline to start it, but there will be "something" for people that have already finished it.

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Yeah sure....Screw the people who have been getting screwed by the almighty Lord RNG.