Heavensward Relic weapons

Will SE make it worthwhile, when the expansion is out? I have spent many hours grinding my relic weapon to animus so far, and I'd be gutted if you don't get compensated for all the hours you've put in. Will they give you a headstart, even if you haven't fully upgraded your relic weapon?

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Originally Posted by Adelard

I'd be gutted if you don't get compensated for all the hours you've put in.

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The compensation is the best weapon in the game.

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Originally Posted by Adelard

Will SE make it worthwhile, when the expansion is out? I have spent many hours grinding my relic weapon to animus so far, and I'd be gutted if you don't get compensated for all the hours you've put in. Will they give you a headstart, even if you haven't fully upgraded your relic weapon?

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They have said you will get something but they haven't said what. Most expect it to be a new relic. There's tons of info to be released between now and june. Expect it to ramp up now the final patch has been released. To be fair animus isn't that far ahead. And for the record I'm still on my first novus scroll.

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Originally Posted by Saccharin

............ And for the record I'm still on my first novus scroll.

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ATMA 8/12

Honestly hoping they continue the Zodiac chain. Spent the entirety of ARR working on it and I'm about to obtain Zeta. I'd love to be able to continue upgrading it throughout Heavensward.

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Originally Posted by Adelard

Will SE make it worthwhile, when the expansion is out? I have spent many hours grinding my relic weapon to animus so far, and I'd be gutted if you don't get compensated for all the hours you've put in. Will they give you a headstart, even if you haven't fully upgraded your relic weapon?

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You would need the Zeta weapon to get something like a compensation. Like skipping the first steps of the new relic quest or something similar.

Hopefully they'll answer this (one of my) question(s) in the upcoming live letter:


http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...17#post2866317

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Originally Posted by Felis

You would need the Zeta weapon to get something like a compensation. Like skipping the first steps of the new relic quest or something similar.

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But surely they understand that even the first steps takes a lot of time. Killing 900 monsters, doing 27 dungeons, 27 leves and 27 fates takes a lot of time and commitment. I don't want to feel like it has been time wasted.

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Originally Posted by Adelard

But surely they understand that even the first steps takes a lot of time. Killing 900 monsters, doing 27 dungeons, 27 leves and 27 fates takes a lot of time and commitment. I don't want to feel like it has been time wasted.

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Getting to Animus is very little work in the grand scheme of things. The steps to get to Novus, Nexus, then upgrade it, and then get to Zeta are probably 3/4ths of the work. If having a relic offers any reward in Heavensward (which I imagine will be pretty minor if they do add anything) you will have to complete the quest series which means owning a zeta.

I don't think you understand... you have already been compensated for all your time and effort on Relic... by having the best weapon in the game. The new Mythic coming in Heavensward are for those who didn't get in on Relic or were discouraged by the obnoxious slogs that were atma, books, the obscene melding gil sink, light farming, what have you. Those who have completed the Relic come Heavensward will apparently be getting something for having had the time and gil to finish it. How is this NOT enough for you? This is like all the complaining about Coil as each successive leg of Coil was released. You got the wins, the claims to fame, why all the fuss over who comes after? You're still going to be able to lord over others, how does this make it any cheaper?

Why you need a compensation for getting the best weapon right now? Do I get compesation for getting coil gear too?

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Originally Posted by Myrhn

Why you need a compensation for getting the best weapon right now? Do I get compesation for getting coil gear too?

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You don't get it. He wants compensation for his animus weapon. The weapon that wasn't even BiS when it was relevant. Killing monsters and doing 27 dungeons is a huge deal. It's not like you'll end up running the same dungeon 27 times to get your zodiac drop due to bad RNG.

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Originally Posted by Xaphire

You don't get it. He wants compensation for his animus weapon. The weapon that wasn't even BiS when it was relevant.

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Still, why compensation for old gear?

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Originally Posted by Myrhn

Still, why compensation for old gear?

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I guess sarcasm does work in text? I don't think he should. I don't want anything for my Zeta. I have a Zeta. That's what I got for the time I sunk into making it.

From my understanding, if there is going to be a relic in the next expansion, it's going to be something completely different. Zeta was the last upgrade for the current one. I'll be happily using that until the expansion comes out.

Well in my case it isn't the best weapon in the game yet. Even at animus it is only IL100. You can loot better weapons. it's not unreasonable to expect something for your time. The compensation should depend on how far you have upgraded your zodiac or something. It just feels like I have wasted time upgrading my weapon, if it is getting replaced in the expansion.

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Originally Posted by Adelard

Well in my case it isn't the best weapon in the game yet. Even at animus it is only IL100. You can loot better weapons. it's not unreasonable to expect something for your time. The compensation should depend on how far you have upgraded your zodiac or something. It just feels like I have wasted time upgrading my weapon, if it is getting replaced in the expansion.

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Your compensation is having access to an evolving weapon that can become stronger, as well as a weapon skin for glamor.

Thoug I'll admit if we got our zeta, I'd like to skip the first 1-2 steps of the next grind. Something to make it feel less like a dead end to the relic.

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Originally Posted by Adelard

Well in my case it isn't the best weapon in the game yet. Even at animus it is only IL100. You can loot better weapons. it's not unreasonable to expect something for your time. The compensation should depend on how far you have upgraded your zodiac or something. It just feels like I have wasted time upgrading my weapon, if it is getting replaced in the expansion.

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Still dont understand why expecting something for "old gear". The time you are investing is for that weapon not for something later on. Same with all the old gear, you try to get it to use it now not expecting some kind of reward later on. Almost all top gear get replaced on the next patch. That what people wanted, they wanted a linear progression were old gear became obsolet by new and shinies. I'm not saying is wrong just not expect too much out of it. Just at an example look how the people that did the relic on 1.0 got the short end of the stick when 2.0 hit and all their effort were in vain because 2.0 relic were so easy to get comparing it with 1.0.

What makes the Relic line the best weapons in the game isn't their iL, it's their stats. After Novus there's no other weapon like it, it's perfectly tailored to how you want making it the absolute best you can ever have because YOU made it that way. It's not wasted time, either, because it was time spent making the best weapon in the game. So you stopped before the part where it would have shined, that's no fault of Square. That's on you, and just you. The quests are there, waiting for you to continue improving your weapon. Mythic isn't going to change that, the quests are STILL going to be there. Mythic is going to be for those that want something else, be it burned out on Relic grind or can't afford it.

All your time spent on your zeta will be wasted come 3.0. Properly melded they are the best weapons until 3.0 and maybe 3.1. SE is going to throw zeta holders a bone when it comes to starting the new quest but I wouldn't expect much. They are planning on a lot of new players and they won't make them crawl through the zeta steps to enjoy new content.

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Originally Posted by Mimiru_S

Honestly hoping they continue the Zodiac chain. Spent the entirety of ARR working on it and I'm about to obtain Zeta. I'd love to be able to continue upgrading it throughout Heavensward.

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I like the idea of continuing it but the practicality. Take new players for instance: do you want to grind for month and months and still not get a weapon of current expansion ilevel. this also works for new jobs too.

Recognition of the zodiac grind but a new weapon for level cap.

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Originally Posted by Saccharin

I like the idea of continuing it but the practicality. Take new players for instance: do you want to grind for month and months and still not get a weapon of current expansion ilevel. this also works for new jobs too.

Recognition of the zodiac grind but a new weapon for level cap.

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IIRC a long while back they'd said that whoever had finished zeta would get some sort of perk or bonus when it comes to 3.0's relic. Though they've been completely hush hush about that ever since.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

IIRC a long while back they'd said that whoever had finished zeta would get some sort of perk or bonus when it comes to 3.0's relic. Though they've been completely hush hush about that ever since.

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My guess is they will use the tome lockout to zeta holders advantage. The original zenith weapons took 3 weeks worth of tomes. If they let zeta holders skip a similar step it would be a nice nod for all our work.

I wouldn't expect to get anything super awesome for relic in 3.0. Yoshi already said in an interview the 3.0 relics weren't going to be hard to get. So all players will get the initial relic pretty easy regardless of zeta.

Also if your on animus, it might be best to just get the archmagus rewards and build the poetic wpn with the encrypted tomestone and 10 rowena tokens of poetics. Its lvl 120 and upgradable to 130 with a carbontwine.

Itll still take you around 2-3 weeks but its a lot less hours total as apposed to trying to get 75 alexandrite, a whole bunch of light, gil, dungeon atma, ect.

Starting relic now would be kinda pointless as by the time you finish it wont be good for long.

I just got my Shield to Novus and the Sword is still at Animus. I am considering just getting the Ironworks Sword to hold me over. It's still a top tier weapon. Not BiS, but still a fairly decent blade.

I certainly hope the relic quest is continued to 3.0, or they better make a late-game SCH book stacked with ACC

Yoshi-P have said they were working on some way to compensate the people who got Zeta, but really... is it really something special to have a Zeta?

You can decide to get a Zeta from scratch, and have it within 3 weeks if you farm a lot. I know not everyone have that time, but still, you could have started to follow the upgrades to relic so long ago, that it really isn't something special to have Zeta now.

You see Zeta wielders everywhere you look, and many even have multiples. I have 2, and I could have many more if I wanted.

If the people who had Zeta got privileges other the ones who don't, you wouldn't see much difference, because everyone have it anyways.

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Originally Posted by Adelard

But surely they understand that even the first steps takes a lot of time. Killing 900 monsters, doing 27 dungeons, 27 leves and 27 fates takes a lot of time and commitment. I don't want to feel like it has been time wasted.

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Not to offend you but you have only begun. I had started my Relic way back before they increased atma drop rates, that was hell. 4 months just to get all 12 atmas, now it takes less then a week. Also for animus the books cost 1500 tomes back in the day and also fate spawn rate was far worst.
Also the Zodiac line if they do not increase drop rate by the time you get to it you will also see that this step is hell as well.
So yeah only those that have Zeta should have a head start really.

Also to add to the Zeta nothing special and so on, well it is if you actually add the correct stats for the class, some people add stats that are not beneficial at all.

People with a zeta might just skip a short phase somewhere in the new questline. Like, normal players will have to run some favors in order to meet someone with expertise making weapons , but people who finished Zeta will simply talk to 2.0 relic NPCs and jump ahead a few steps. Gerolt says "go talk to my brother", and we don't have to fetch an extra 50 bear pelts.

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Originally Posted by Craiger

Yoshi-P have said they were working on some way to compensate the people who got Zeta, but really... is it really something special to have a Zeta?

You can decide to get a Zeta from scratch, and have it within 3 weeks if you farm a lot.

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If you're going entirely off of post-nerf rates, sure. If you're going off of the rates of things as they came out, that three weeks would get you a Zenith, not a Zeta.

Dude, relax. You have more than enough time to complete your relic. It's been nerfed so hard you should get your Zeta in less than a month now not to mention it would be pretty silly if they gave compensation for an unfinished quest.