The abandons need to be dealt with

Everyone knows, if you leave a dungeon, raid, etc, you get a penalty. Sure.
Everyone also knows you can avoid said penalty by simply disconnecting from the game. You force your party to kick you, and bam! No penalty for you!

I just had to wait 42 minutes in the Steps of Faith because someone disconnected during the dragon's odd entrance through closed gates. The game got stuck in the battle because someone was disconnected (due to a rage-quit). We couldn't kick him, it was a battle. We couldn't leave, we couldn't abandon. We were stuck waiting for almost an hour. Why? Because of the darn loophole to avoid the penalty. Sure, I could have disconnected, done something else in the mean time (since when I logged back on, I would be in the trial still), but it would still be waiting for the trial to end -.-

Something needs to be done about this loophole. Either give the ability to vote kick/abandon once the party has a disconnected member, OR kick the member if they have been gone for more than 5 minutes and give them a slightly less penalty for it, 5 minutes or so (so people don't just disconnect to keep avoiding penalty). ALL of this during battle, I mean.

Now, my net is horrible, I get a LOT of disconnects that I don't plan, but the small penalty price I don't mind paying to avoid situations like this -.-

Why couldn't you kick him?

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Originally Posted by Chukkaque

Why couldn't you kick him?

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can't kick in combat...that's if what they mean by "a battle"

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Originally Posted by Chukkaque

Why couldn't you kick him?

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This right here:

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Originally Posted by Aushi

The game got stuck in the battle because someone was disconnected (due to a rage-quit). -

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This is the issue that made it so they couldn't kick the person. If you are in combat, you are not permitted to initiate a vote dismiss (Try it out sometime - try to do one during a boss. It won't let you.)

So it sounds like they just got screwed by a mechanic on it by someone who either got genuinly dc'd (They were gone 45 minutes... Come on. If it was someone taking advantage of the system, it'd be 10-15 min, max as they try to get back in to reque to a new party) or by someone who just rage quit out.

Oh I guess I never noticed that was a thing! Mostly because when we ran MS and got to lahabreh we ended up kicking a WHM due to d/cing and being offline too long. But I suppose when I look back at it, they were kicked just before we actually started fighting him.

I thought this thread would be about ragequitters in parties forcing a duty abandon when half the members want to continue even if it means replenishing players.

That is the problem I have too often.

yup. why bother with the 30m penalty when you can just afk/dc and get kicked?

Although isn't there an auto kick function if you afk for 10m?

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Originally Posted by myahele

yup. why bother with the 30m penalty when you can just afk/dc and get kicked?

Although isn't there an auto kick function if you afk for 10m?

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Does not count down while DC'd

Getting stuck when Vishap breaks the gate is definitely a bug, send a report about it.

Oh I understand it was a bug, but a bug mainly initiated by someone ragequitting, it just got me all annoyed about how many times I've had to abandon duties because of people like that, this was the straw that broke the camels back xD It's a loophole everyone knows exists and it should be dealt with.

And honestly, sure there's a possibility it was a disconnect without purpose. I mean one person disconnected and then a couple of seconds later someone else followed, in their conversation they didn't seem to be friends or anything, though I could be wrong. I just find it too much of a coincidence that two people leave just when the dragon "should" break the gates, specially when neither of them had the red "disconnecting" sign in their names. I don't know how reliable that is, but whenever I see someone honestly disconnect, I always see that red disconnect sign.

It wasn't the first group that happened (though the glitch did NOT repeat itself). All day trying to pass that trial (still haven't) has been littered with players leaving, I just couldn't really believe that all day, a lot of people were having bad internet issues >.>; In the other groups a kick was able to be made since we didn't get glitched. And it's a problem in general, when the penalty wasn't a thing, people would leave, I would rarely see a disconnect. Now people with "bad internet" are a super common problem... I don't find it a coincidence. Heck I've been that person who convinces the others to NOT kick (if it's a dps or a tank in a low lvl), said player usually comes back 5, 10, even 15 minutes in. I've had one who came back just at the beginning of the last boss rofl All of them embarrasses and shocked we never kicked, of course, they'd leave right away again x-) But it's a thing. When we DONT need another player, I try to convince NOT to kick, so they HAVE to wait for us to finish the dng anyways :B But it shouldn't come down to that x.x Some penalty SHOULD be given for people using that loophole

I've never abandoned a duty on purpose, where I'm from, our internet is laughable, at best. I have constant disconnects, I wouldn't mind having a 10 minute-ish penalty, besides, if it IS an honest disconnect, you probably wouldn't be back in time anyways. SURE, the penalty being LESS would still invite people to do it. That's why I thought of just letting the votes happen during the battle as well. No penalty, just the availability of a replacement during the fight. Sure, in regular dungeons the person wouldn't be able to join the boss fight, but during the fight the player can be found, instead of initiating the search after.

Not sure if related but: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...6a712e4afbb531

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The following issue has been confirmed to be occurring in Patch 2.55. The issue is being addressed, and we ask for your patience and understanding as we strive to resolve this promptly.

[Known Issue]
- An issue in “The Steps of Faith” wherein progress may become impossible after failing in the defense, and players may become unable to exit the Duty.

We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause and ask for your patience and understanding.

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Play with friends. It is a social game.

Solved?

Next problem?

OP you're complaining about the wrong issue here.. the system in place is fine in my opinion, they're never going to punish somebody for disconnecting and they shouldn't, but you experienced a bug that caused your party to stay in combat. That bug literally doesn't effect anything else and generally if somebody disconnected you can kick them out in a timely fashion as long as people don't open a loot chest or start combat again.

So, my issue with this post is just punishing those purposeful DC --->kick players. There is no way to tell whether or not it was done on purpose, but I can say I've been disconnected for over an hour, unable to log in, but I have also been frustrated enough at lag that onCE I d/c, I didn't even try to log back in. Due to the bug, it's possible he didn't rage quit, just couldn't log back in.

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Originally Posted by Aushi

besides, if it IS an honest disconnect, you probably wouldn't be back in time anyways.

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I was once in garuda ex as whm to farm some pony and df put me into a training party. We were wiping during the whole first hour (because most ppl were new and not following strats even I told them what to do) and the 2nd time I met again 5 of them. The 2nd run went smoother (tho still wipes) until my ps3 suddenly froze right after I topped the whole party up using medica2 in phase3. I tried relog-in asap and found I was kicked... HOW could they do this to a healer who patiently wiped with them for 1 hour and a half and just topped everyone to 100%... heartbroken TT^TT

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Originally Posted by monochromicorn

Due to the bug, it's possible he didn't rage quit, just couldn't log back in.

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This happened to me once, tho I thought it might be my internet supplier who was not letting me to... all pc/ps3/ipad/iphone wifi connection dropped and was not able to inform other fc members in the party. Got network back the 2nd morning.

So, outright confession.

One: I'm gonna abandon WoD on my DRG after the first fight because that's where the loot I need is. Why? Because I tanked, and tanked, and tanked this place since it launched, dealing with absolutely ridiculous queues and general DF-group drama, and only got the chestpiece from Cloud of Darkness the week before this patch hit. I've done my time and racked up the good karma and dropping a DPS doesn't really hurt progress.

Two: But I ain't gonna disconnect and fish for a vote-kick and I'll take my 30 minute timeout in fairness, because that's just annoying.

There's really very little that can be done about this as long as getting kicked doesn't cause a penalty. And we can't put a penalty on getting vote-kicked because it will be used to troll people. You know those kind of people exist.

If we have a very penalizing system towards abandons, all those people who abandon are going to do is to just auto-follow and do nothing, maybe even troll the content by pulling bosses early and locking out everyone, or use the teleports or some other mechanic to spam everyone's chat log. They will keep doing this until you vote kick them---and they get their abandon without penalty.

This is what happens in an society without police. Yes, GMs are not police, they do not fulfill that role. They are equivalent to prosecutors in the real world. Imagine a real world with no police, only prosecutors. You will get the same chaos with gangsters and thugs getting their ways.

FF14, like most other MMORPG, can't afford the manpower to create an effective policing mechanism. So we just have to take what we get. Eventually if it gets so bad people quit the game, then it may be worth the cost to put in more manpower in policing. :(