Hullbreaker Isle Drop Rate (Method in His Malice)

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03-30-2015, 02:37 PM
Theref

Hullbreaker Isle Drop Rate (Method in His Malice)

Time: 5:35 AM Server Time
Frequency: Always
World name: Tonberry
Character name: Rurod Arkdale
NPC name: Adkin
Monster name: Kraken
Class/Level: Any level 50 disciple of war/magic class
Party or solo: Party (4 person)
Area and coordinates: Hullbreaker Isle
Steps:
- Open Duty Finder
- Tick Hullbreaker Isle
- Finish the Instance
- "Vial of Kraken Blood" never drop from the last boss

Connection Specs
- Ethernet
03-30-2015, 02:48 PM
AskaRay

Took me maybe fifty tries in Copperbell HM to get the blood to drop on that.
Sounds like RNG just hates you, unfortunately.
03-30-2015, 03:10 PM
Theref

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

Took me maybe fifty tries in Copperbell HM to get the blood to drop on that.
Sounds like RNG just hates you, unfortunately.

No this instance is bugged and never drop the specified item
03-30-2015, 03:59 PM
Ashkendor

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theref

No this instance is bugged and never drop the specified item

I've finished 3 zodiacs, one within the past week. This item does drop, though it may take a lot of runs.
03-30-2015, 04:14 PM
VoltaAsura

^ I can agree 100%. Just got my 2nd Zodiac today and it can be rough, but it does drop.
03-30-2015, 04:21 PM
Theref

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashkendor

I've finished 3 zodiacs, one within the past week. This item does drop, though it may take a lot of runs.

Hi, this is my first Zodiac quests, I've started doing this 4 quests chain for Zodiac for about 34 or 35 days (Just back from hiatus on February), other 3 done and this Method of His Malice is the last one. Just because it drops for you doesn't mean it would for others. So far I could only droll at Jealousy looking at the "Zodiac Treasure Drop Rate" discussions on reddit seeing people get Hullbreaker at 1/1, 1/4, 1/28 or such.

Now let's back to the bug report,
- it is not a bug if the item drops
- it is a bug if the item never drops

The nature of RNG, making it possible for item to drop on 1st run, as well as making it possible for the item to drop on the 100000000(insert large number here)th run. A number of runs which is impossible to achieve during a man's life time, thus on this case the item become never drop.

Therefore, it might be dropping for you (not bugged), but there is also a possibility where it never drop (bugged). And this is what im reporting. The item is not dropping, for me.

I personally think, RNG itself is a bug. RNG allows a scenario to be impossible to achieve, it might... be possible to achieve.... if you are a machine. but human isn't machine. Never underestimate the RNG on unlucky people.
03-30-2015, 04:29 PM
VoltaAsura

^Rofl Just because its not dropping for you does not mean that it is a bug.

You just so happen to have bad luck and it is what it is. Also, just because me and the person above my first post have multiple zodiacs, does not mean we got all of out drops 1/1 or even 1/4. I personally ran WP 26 times this last time around to get the drop from that dungeon.
03-30-2015, 04:38 PM
Theref
Quote:

Originally Posted by VoltaAsura

^Rofl Just because its not dropping for you does not mean that it is a bug.

You just so happen to have bad luck and it is what it is. Also, just because me and the person above my first post have multiple zodiacs, does not mean we got all of out drops 1/1 or even 1/4. I personally ran WP 26 times this last time around to get the drop from that dungeon.

Hi,
1. Not bug: the item actually drops
2. Is a bug: the item never drop
it might not be bugged for you, but it's number two so far on me.
03-30-2015, 04:47 PM
Darkstride
Quote:
Originally Posted by Theref

Hi,
Not bug: the item actually drops

Is a bug: the item never drop

it might not be bugged for you, but it's number two so far on me.
It doesn't work like that. It isn't a black-and-white, either-or situation. There could also be no bug and no drop.

You're throwing round the term "bugged" which insinuates that the game is in some way not functioning properly or there is a programming error causing it to be impossible for you to obtain the item.

That's not the case.

You are having terrible luck with RNG and not seeing a drop. It's unfortunate, but just because it is happening to you it doesn't mean the game is broken.
03-30-2015, 04:54 PM
Theref

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkstride

You're throwing round the term "bugged" which insinuates that the game is in some way not functioning properly or there is a programming error causing it to be impossible for you to obtain the item.

It is impossible to obtain the item given that someone have a very bad luck, like no matter how much runs, it just doesnt drop. (bugged)
Or, it is possible to obtain the item given that someone run a lot of runs. (not bugged)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkstride

You are having terrible luck with RNG and not seeing a drop. It's unfortunate, but just because it is happening to you it doesn't mean the game is broken.

The game is not broken for you, only on me or people with bad RNG luck.

I'm posting this just to soothe my sadness, hoping someday this thread will come into the dev's team.
03-30-2015, 05:03 PM
Darkstride

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theref

It is impossible to obtain the item given that someone have a very bad luck, like no matter how much runs, it just doesnt drop. (bugged)
Or, it is possible to obtain the item given that someone run a lot of runs. (not bugged)

The game is not broken for you, only on me or people with bad RNG luck.

I'm posting this just to soothe my sadness, hoping someday this thread will come into the dev's team.

Looks like I walked right over this troll's bridge.
03-30-2015, 05:07 PM
Theref

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkstride

Looks like I walked right over this troll's bridge.

I'm not trolling, my friend http://i.imgur.com/NEzut.gif

There is also another thread addressing the same issue, and it is marked as: Accepted Bugs
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...llbreaker-Isle
03-30-2015, 05:11 PM
Darkstride

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theref

I'm not trolling, my friend http://i.imgur.com/NEzut.gif

We'll then it seems that you don't understand that a bug would mean there is some sort of programming error that is making it impossible for you to get an item drop.

What you are experiencing (which you have said yourself), is terrible luck. It sucks, and you may consider RNG with such a low drop rate to be poor game design, but it is working as intended.

Bad luck =/= bugged
03-30-2015, 05:16 PM
Theref

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkstride

We'll then it seems that you don't understand that a bug would mean there is some sort of programming error that is making it impossible for you to get an item drop.

What you are experiencing (which you have said yourself), is terrible luck. It sucks, and you may consider RNG with such a low drop rate to be poor game design, but it is working as intended.

Bad luck =/= bugged

But if the design allow such scenario where a person with a bad luck unable to ~~get the item~~ progress the quest, then it is a bug.

Also there's similar thread there, which address same instance and it is marked as Accepted Bugs, so I guess it is
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...llbreaker-Isle
03-30-2015, 05:28 PM
Darkstride

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theref

But if the design allow such scenario where a person with a bad luck unable to get the item, then it is a bug.

Also there's similar thread there, which address same instance and it is marked as Accepted Bugs, so I guess it is
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...llbreaker-Isle

"Accepted Bug" means the report has been accepted because there was sufficient information. They are then investigted and either confirmed or deemed to be working as intended:

"Once reports with sufficient information have been checked, they will be moved to the Accepted Bugs forum.
Bug reports moved to Accepted Bugs will be investigated and confirmed.
Depending on the issue, there may be cases where confirmation may take more time.

As a result of investigating and testing, reports determined to be bugs will be moved to the Confirmed/Planning to Address forum and those determined to be a normal feature of the game will be moved to the Working as Intended forum."

Anyway, good luck with your drop, I just wouldn't expect SE to consider this a bug, given that it is actually working as intended. I agree that it sucks and it's unfortunate, but it's just how RNG works.
03-30-2015, 06:09 PM
Theref

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkstride

"Accepted Bug" means the report has been accepted because there was sufficient information. They are then investigted and either confirmed or deemed to be working as intended:

"Once reports with sufficient information have been checked, they will be moved to the Accepted Bugs forum.
Bug reports moved to Accepted Bugs will be investigated and confirmed.
Depending on the issue, there may be cases where confirmation may take more time.

As a result of investigating and testing, reports determined to be bugs will be moved to the Confirmed/Planning to Address forum and those determined to be a normal feature of the game will be moved to the Working as Intended forum."

Anyway, good luck with your drop, I just wouldn't expect SE to consider this a bug, given that it is actually working as intended. I agree that it sucks and it's unfortunate, but it's just how RNG works.

But this design.
The design where only person with luck can progress the content, and person without luck can not progress until they got some luck (enough luck) to progress, and then there's always someone which is just outside this simply dont have thing such as luck gimped from any progress. And I think, And I think, this need fixing, that's why I'm posting this. I hope some understand what I'm trying to say, I'm not here just for trolling.

Like atma almost make me drop my subscription, alexandrite were fine because there are other way to earn them dailies as well as allied seals, soulglazing were fine because they are metered not just for those luckies, others just need some soldiery farm. But this one (plus atma), there are no alternative way to do this, except luck. If I could, I would go to the Coil route, but I'm not a hardcore so Zodiac is my only way. I rather soulglazing^2 all over again, or even 6400 soldiery for this, at least those are metered.

And thank you, really, you are the only guy here who wish me good luck http://puu.sh/b3hYb/0cec1f1f49.gif