Where are all of the male Keepers of the Moon?

I've recently returned from a long break and was looking to start new as a Keeper of the Moon. But running through Gridania and the Shroud, I've not spotted a single NPC male Keeper. I am aware of the Couerl King but I would imagine that more male Keepers NPCs would have been around after the calamity.

Are male miqote -that- rare?


I am contemplating to play one of these three scenarios:

1. Male Keeper of the Moon rebelling against the traditional Keeper lifestyle, heading out on his own.
   
2. Male Seeker of the Sun traveling to the Shroud to start his combat training as an adventurer.
   
3. Female Keeper of the Moon starting her life as an adventurer in the Shroud.

According to the lore that I've found in game, male Keepers are wanderers and never really stay in one place for very long. Hence why you don't see any as NPCs in any one place.

There are a few... but in general male miqo are rare.

But yeah, make Keepers are more nomadic than the rest, is what I got from the lore and everything.

I think male Keepers are just smarter than male Seekers.

They stay moving because they've already figured out that an ancient curse causes horrible things to happen to male Miqo'te who hang around in one place outside their clan for too long...

:eek:

As other's have said they live apart from the rest of the females, traveling from clan to clan and having sexual relations with some of the members until it time to go again and if you did the mog delivery quests they do mention that this is a preferable set up for both. And that sleeping with only one man is very taboo/unnatural for female keepers to do.

Otherwise, the're relegated to nameless background npcs: Lominsa Calamity salvager, crystal brave member, that drunk in buscaroon druthers.

Or evil people: Couerl King and the guy in a certain quest

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Originally Posted by myahele

As other's have said they live apart from the rest of the females, traveling from clan to clan and having sexual relations with some of the members until it time to go again and if you did the mog delivery quests they do mention that this is a preferable set up for both. And that sleeping with only one man is very taboo/unnatural for female keepers to do.

Otherwise, the're relegated to nameless background npcs: Lominsa Calamity salvager, crystal brave member, that drunk in buscaroon druthers.

Or evil people: Couerl King and the guy in a certain quest

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I feel sorry for the Couerlclaws, they're all essentially being exploited by the King, but they don't have anywhere else to turn too, given that they often forced, either by him or circumstance, to kill a Wood Wailer, and correspondingly be cut off from society in general. And Gridanian society is already xenophobic as it is, for Keepers and Duskwights, although it does often seem worse for the latter.

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Originally Posted by LystAP

I feel sorry for the Couerlclaws, they're all essentially being exploited by the King, but they don't have anywhere else to turn too, given that they often forced, either by him or circumstance, to kill a Wood Wailer, and correspondingly be cut off from society in general. And Gridanian society is already xenophobic as it is, for Keepers and Duskwights, although it does often seem worse for the latter.

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I'm kinda hoping not all of them are in his harem, given there's a second settlement of Couerlclaws on the other side of South Shroud led by Yabi Twotails.

I'm also hoping she's going to kick his ass at some point.

But yeah just in general NPC representation of Male Keepers has been dire, all the named ones are villains.

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Originally Posted by FJerome

I'm kinda hoping not all of them are in his harem, given there's a second settlement of Couerlclaws on the other side of South Shroud led by Yabi Twotails.

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Given that Yabi's troupe still call themselves Coeurlclaws, chances are pretty good that they answer to the Coeurl King. She's most likely a just a higher ranking lieutenant. Given what we've seen of the Coeurl King's personality, he's pretty egocentric. He wouldn't take kindly to a second group of thieves calling themselves by his gang's name - and in the same zone, no less!

hi, i'm here.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

Given that Yabi's troupe still call themselves Coeurlclaws, chances are pretty good that they answer to the Coeurl King. She's most likely a just a higher ranking lieutenant. Given what we've seen of the Coeurl King's personality, he's pretty egocentric. He wouldn't take kindly to a second group of thieves calling themselves by his gang's name - and in the same zone, no less!

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I'm actually expecting them to turn out to be brother and sister and the whole thing being a second-generation leadership split or something along those lines.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Otherwise, the're relegated to nameless background npcs: Lominsa Calamity salvager, crystal brave member, that drunk in buscaroon druthers.

Or evil people: Couerl King and the guy in a certain quest

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If I recall correctly, the calamity salvager and the drunk guy in Buscarrons are bother Seekers.
The only 2 Keeper NPCs are King Poach and the unnamed Crystal Brave guy that shows up in Old Gridania for that one quest and never seen again.

Given that male miqo'te are less common than females anyway, the "wanderers" lifestyle for Keepers makes them especially rare, even more so than Seekers. The number of NPCs seems to confirm the lore.

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Originally Posted by Velox

If I recall correctly, the calamity salvager and the drunk guy in Buscarrons are bother Seekers.
The only 2 Keeper NPCs are King Poach and the unnamed Crystal Brave guy that shows up in Old Gridania for that one quest and never seen again.

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There is one more but he's at the end of the quest chain that very few people have cleared.

Spoiler - he's an arsehole.

And yet the once-equally-rare female Roegadayn are now everywhere post-Calamity, not to mention one major NPC from before they were playable who continues to maintain a strong presence. Let's also not forget that we have a female Au Ra (for the moment, the only of her kind in Eorzea) moving into position to continue this pattern into 3.0.

But male Miqo'te are solitary and rare, so we can't have one of those in the recurring cast. Pretty sure any solid lore justifications have evaporated by now and we've moved into the realm of good, old-fashioned men-hate-male-characters sexism. I'd feel differently if there wasn't at least one male and female of every other playable race with a voiced role in the Main Scenario.

I do need to get around to that one story, though, if only to reestablish myself as the last of my kind in Eorzea. Sigh.

(Pardon the rant, but it's been one of my buttons lately. :o)

Other than not having a model yet was there any lore-related reason why there weren't any Roegadyn females back in 1.0?

Looking at their description there isn't anything talking about gender disparities ala Miqo'te

It was mentioned as a cultural thing in 1.0's character creator, from what I remember, but it's been years since I made a character for 1.0. That's obviously not the case anymore, but it seems like a pretty selective retcon.

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Originally Posted by FJerome

There is one more but he's at the end of the quest chain that very few people have cleared.

Spoiler - he's an arsehole.

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Ah, completely forgot about

Nhaza'a Jaab

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Eh, Yugiri is just the first of her kind. We don't know who else may join for the Au'ra, but I'm betting we'll see some, perhaps even in this latest patch. And we've got a pretty good balance of male/female, even if it isn't necessarily balanced around races. It's more leaning towards female, but it's hard to say where the overall ratio will balance out once we see all the various antagonists, especially since so far they've been almost all male.

But as for major characters for specific races, I'm not really recalling any female Elezen or female Highlanders, so it's not really just male Keepers that aren't showing up. There is the male Miqo'te from the Crystal Tower line though.

(Going by people important enough to have voice actors...)
Female Elezen: Alisaie, Icehart
Female Highlanders: Minfillia is half (her upper half http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/i...ies/tongue.png), but Highlander counts as Hyur, and we have plenty of those

As for the guy from CT, he is important, but...

In spite of taking a lead role in a story with more than a few main cast members, G'raha is a bait-and-switch who can't ever show up again without a literal miracle, written off just short of becoming counted as part of the recurring cast. We may never even hear his name again. I'm pretty sure they were actually counting on players expecting otherwise to increase the impact of that final twist. That he did exist may even become an excuse if they decide not to make any more important male Miqo'te.

Yeah.

So while you could argue that there is a respectable male/female balance in the main cast in spite of racial disparities, it's only male Miqo'te who have this far remained excluded. And male Keepers especially have it rough anywhere they show up. And Yugiri, well, it's more that she's the first of her kind and already more important than any male Miqo'te in-game.

I admit I'm splitting more than a few hairs, but still.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

[SIZE=1]Female Highlanders: Minfillia is half (her upper half http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/i...ies/tongue.png), but Highlander counts as Hyur, and we have plenty of those.

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As a female highlander, I do feel kind of left out. Yes, we are huyrs, but we arent midlanders. I don't even see a lot of players as female highlanders. I do honestly believe we should get a bit more variety in the protagonist of this game. Not a lot of elezen, roes, or male Miqo'te. Having one or two that don't follow lore to the letter won't break anything, as a single outlier doesn't discount anything, but is usually discounted from the whole.

Not arguing with you at all, just so you know. Even just one each of the playable subrace/gender combos contributing something important to the main scenario would just make sense for players who want an important NPC to identify with. Unfortunately, the devs seem to have their own priorities on which races/genders they like using (and overusing), and so long as those preferences continue to only negatively impact a few minorities, they probably don't consider it an issue.

Revising my earlier sentiment after 2.55's MSQ:

Nobody was ever safe, and people you've never met before can show up and be acknowledged by your character as someone you've met before. Anything is possible at this point.

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Originally Posted by monochromicorn

As a female highlander, I do feel kind of left out. Yes, we are huyrs, but we arent midlanders. I don't even see a lot of players as female highlanders. I do honestly believe we should get a bit more variety in the protagonist of this game. Not a lot of elezen, roes, or male Miqo'te. Having one or two that don't follow lore to the letter won't break anything, as a single outlier doesn't discount anything, but is usually discounted from the whole.

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You're a Roegadyn. Who you tryin' to fool?!