An idea for Glamour

Make all glamour available for all classes except for job icon gear.

For example, a Bard cant wear a BLM cant wear a SMN coat and so on.

No thanks. I'd actually prefer if they tightened the glamour restrictions a bit more. Tanks shouldn't be able to run around and tank effectively in robes or swimwear, for instance. And mages shouldn't be able to fight in heavy armor.

You can play any class in this game. If you want to fight in a robe, be a mage. If you want to fight in armor, be a tank. I think stuff like swimwear should be of course equippable by all but it should be unglamourable so that if you want to wear it in town, fine, but this way it would not be usuable in battle.

Just my opinion, of course.

I'm all for glamour freedom.

I don't get all of the defenses saying things like "tanks should always wear armor"

Isn't the lore behind glamouring that magic is masking the true appearance of armor/clothes with the appearance of another piece? So technically a tank in a bikini is wearing armor, magic is just masking its appearance.

The fact that if a tank just wears a bikini directly, they'll take a massive amount of damage also supports this.

That said, if I'm correct, there's no reason for restricting anything at all. There's a lore reason that conveniently allows for ultimate freedom without having to cause breaks in immersion for anyone.

Lore-wise, sure. But it just detracts from the overall fantasy aesthetic of the game.
Remember, Lore can be used to creatively explain ANYTHING. That's a given and not really in itself a reason to justify things. (imo)

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Originally Posted by Dyne_Fellpool

Lore-wise, sure. But it just detracts from the overall fantasy aesthetic of the game.
Remember, Lore can be used to creatively explain ANYTHING. That's a given and not really in itself a reason to justify things. (imo)

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I'm afriad the fantasy argument is against you

http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/o...31352-0004.jpg

"A garb imbued with the soul of the warrior. It increases the wearer's physical damage and maximum HP.

A warrior soul. Which is a tank in FF14

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Originally Posted by Dyne_Fellpool

No thanks. I'd actually prefer if they tightened the glamour restrictions a bit more. Tanks shouldn't be able to run around and tank effectively in robes or swimwear, for instance. And mages shouldn't be able to fight in heavy armor.

You can play any class in this game. If you want to fight in a robe, be a mage. If you want to fight in armor, be a tank. I think stuff like swimwear should be of course equippable by all but it should be unglamourable so that if you want to wear it in town, fine, but this way it would not be usuable in battle.

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"No fun allowed."

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Originally Posted by Rfus

"No fun allowed."

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Hyperbole, much?

I think it's more fun to play alongside magey-looking mages and armorey-looking warriors. I think its fun to be able to look at someone and tell what kind of role they would play in combat by the garb they carry into battle.
This topic is all opinion though, so you will find no right or wrong answers in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Lilyarel

I'm afriad the fantasy argument is against you

http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/o...31352-0004.jpg

"A garb imbued with the soul of the warrior. It increases the wearer's physical damage and maximum HP.

A warrior soul. Which is a tank in FF14

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I said the overall fantasy aesthetic. You are still trying to use lore to make your case.

Again, this is my opinion. But I feel it would detract from the fantasy aesthetic of the overall game.

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Originally Posted by Dyne_Fellpool

I said the overall fantasy aesthetic. You are still trying to use lore to make your case.

Again, this is my opinion. But I feel it would detract from the fantasy aesthetic of the overall game.

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Coliseum set. Secondly, Loonh Gah. Its the garb of the warrior. Not the job warrior but warriors in general. Thats the type of aesthetic in FF games. If this were something like Skyrim, then yeah I would agree. But this series has its fair share of skimpy armor.

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Originally Posted by Dyne_Fellpool

I said the overall fantasy aesthetic. You are still trying to use lore to make your case.

Again, this is my opinion. But I feel it would detract from the fantasy aesthetic of the overall game.

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Personally I think lore enhances my immersion into a fantasy game, and with that immersion comes "fantasy aesthetic". Sure, a warrior wearing a bikini is out there, but I don't see anything wrong with a Mage wearing plate armour. There's nothing preventing them from doing so, they have the same physical strength of every other character. Whatever floats your boat though. I'd like to see this happen, but it's been suggested countless times and SE has yet to say much about it.

Definitely agree with op 100%, the more freedom the better.

Whether someone wears a bikini tanking or a head to toe set of armor to me, is totally irrelevant, BUT if the person doing so is happier wearing what he/she chooses then that IS relevant to me and should be the priority of SE.

Not only do we need more freedom but we need a heck of a lot more choices/variety as well. Much much more stylish fantasy gear options like Lilyarel pictured for all to wear.

They have been pretty hard-lined about class specific gear being class specific even with glamours. The devs have directly stated they're not going to let class specific gear be worn by other classes.
Basically, if you can't wear it, you can't glamour it, and that's the way it's always going to be...for at least a year or two.
You can come up with all the arguments you want but this has been their stance since glamours were added and I doubt it's changing due to the sheer amount of effort required to do so.
And yes, it is a lot of effort.
First of all, many armor pieces aren't designed to work with one another on a graphical level and on an aesthetic level. Wearing the bard AF shirt with PLD AF pants would look ridiculous, for instance.
Second, they went out of their way to make sure you couldn't use the appearance of a class specific item on something that's usable by more than one class. They went out of their way to do this, as in this was a conscious decision on their parts.
For these reasons, and I know i'm being redundant here, they have no plans to make it so you can glamour pieces not usable by your class and be able to see it.

If they weren't going to let us glamour anything, then the least they could do is go beyond the typical looks we all have for our gear. After a point it all falls into the same general concepts, so it'd be nice to see a lot more variation but still be relevant to the aspects of each class, would be a better lore appropriate way of handling the situation. For example, maybe not a fully armoured mage that looks like a tank, but perhaps a mage wearing a small breast-plate, some thin greaves and armoured gloves or gauntlets?

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Originally Posted by Mistoltin

If they weren't going to let us glamour anything, then the least they could do is go beyond the typical looks we all have for our gear. After a point it all falls into the same general concepts, so it'd be nice to see a lot more variation but still be relevant to the aspects of each class, would be a better lore appropriate way of handling the situation. For example, maybe not a fully armoured mage that looks like a tank, but perhaps a mage wearing a small breast-plate, some thin greaves and armoured gloves or gauntlets?

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You mean like this?
http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...aae46533c3.png
You can dye it too.
http://xivdb.com/?item/7546/Light-Steel-Galerus
BTW that link says untradeable but that's a lie.

Some people seem to forget that this is Final Fantasy...

http://www.primagames.com/media/images/news/big5.jpg

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Originally Posted by Dyne_Fellpool

Lore-wise, sure. But it just detracts from the overall fantasy aesthetic of the game.
Remember, Lore can be used to creatively explain ANYTHING. That's a given and not really in itself a reason to justify things. (imo)

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Do you get upset when you do a levequest and that sheep was an imp in glamour the whole time!?

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Originally Posted by Lilyarel

Make all glamour available for all classes except for job icon gear.

For example, a Bard cant wear a BLM cant wear a SMN coat and so on.

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I short, turn all gears into "all classes" gears?

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Originally Posted by Dyne_Fellpool

No thanks. I'd actually prefer if they tightened the glamour restrictions a bit more. Tanks shouldn't be able to run around and tank effectively in robes or swimwear, for instance. And mages shouldn't be able to fight in heavy armor.

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In short, turn "all classes" gears into "DoH and DoL only" gears?


There is only 1 way how SE can change it and that have been proved that it work.
get away with requirements on gears and bring back favoured classes and optimal level. Synch the stats down if you wear it not with a favoured class or not with the optimal level.

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Originally Posted by Dyne_Fellpool

Hyperbole, much?

I think it's more fun to play alongside magey-looking mages and armorey-looking warriors. I think its fun to be able to look at someone and tell what kind of role they would play in combat by the garb they carry into battle.
This topic is all opinion though, so you will find no right or wrong answers in this thread.

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You know you can easily. Glance at their party mark if they are in a party with you.

Or at their weapon.

One thing I talked about with a friend was removing class-restricted gears, but as a reward for leveling them. So it would kind of go like this:

Upon reaching level 50 (or in Heavensward, 60), players could undergo a quest to test their role mastery. Once proven themselves, glamour restrictions would no longer be in place for that class to be cast upon any other class. This would show that if you see say, a LNC wearing Arachne Healing robes that the player inspected had previously mastered their healing role (or at least one of them). So with a system like this, it's a reward for those who level / play all jobs/classes as opposed to sticking with one or two. Maybe if you complete them all, too, you get special attire or something.

Just a thought, but I think it would be pretty neat (if DoH/DoL were involved, I'd love the LTW clothes...).

Glamour freedom for everyone! \o/

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Originally Posted by Dyne_Fellpool

No thanks. I'd actually prefer if they tightened the glamour restrictions a bit more. Tanks shouldn't be able to run around and tank effectively in robes or swimwear, for instance. And mages shouldn't be able to fight in heavy armor.

You can play any class in this game. If you want to fight in a robe, be a mage. If you want to fight in armor, be a tank. I think stuff like swimwear should be of course equippable by all but it should be unglamourable so that if you want to wear it in town, fine, but this way it would not be usuable in battle.

Just my opinion, of course.

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Except the tank isn't tanking in a robe. It's just a magical image of the robe. The actual gear is still there.

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Originally Posted by Dyne_Fellpool

No thanks. I'd actually prefer if they tightened the glamour restrictions a bit more. Tanks shouldn't be able to run around and tank effectively in robes or swimwear, for instance. And mages shouldn't be able to fight in heavy armor.

You can play any class in this game. If you want to fight in a robe, be a mage. If you want to fight in armor, be a tank. I think stuff like swimwear should be of course equippable by all but it should be unglamourable so that if you want to wear it in town, fine, but this way it would not be usuable in battle.

Just my opinion, of course.

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Real tanks go swimsuit, There's an urban legend that says that YOU ONLY ACHIEVE the supreme skill at tanking if you go with skimpy clothes or swimsuits!.... Personally I tried it out at a time and didn't see the effect, so came back to my style >_<... But with so many tanks like that.. The legend must be right!