Suggestion Against Gil Sellers?

Allow us to have a selective ignore? Basically - give us the ability to ignore certain level ranges from whispering us, communicating with us, and inviting us to groups (but we can vice-versa). Basically, allow the lower levels to whisper if they're added to a friend's list.

With the exceptions of free companies, of course. Needless to say, if your friend is making an alt, he'll tell you.

The ignore would only work if you set it certain levels below you. It can never be at your level or higher.

Could this work?

Would increase botting and encourage unfriendliness towards lower level players.

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Originally Posted by Elusana_Celah

Would increase botting and encourage unfriendliness towards lower level players.

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Not really. Easier to tell a bot from a normal person. Not to mention why waste all that time getting something to a high level just to get banned for no real sales? It makes the risk vs effort unworth the time it takes to chance it.

Regardless, in dungeons you're stuck with people from other servers anyway and you likely won't see them again.

It wouldn't encourage unfriendliness at all. I've made a character on a more-empty server and I had over 50 blacklists in two hours. It's pretty bad.

It's pretty simple.

Risk vs Reward. If you're going to spend however many hours leveling a new character to 20 or whatever the minimum could be set at - and get banned upon just reaching it. Was it worth your time? Considering they're advertising 10-20 dollars for X amount of Gil, calculating the time for them to get to 10-20, they would be making substantially less and with worse-odds considering the bans they'd get from having to reach said level to start. Minimizing their pay from 10-20 per delivery (aka 10-20 per hour, if they're lucky), to 3-4 per hour, making it effectively non-profit producing in getting more copies of the game in which to facilitate their trade.

For every possible way that someone can think of a way to limit gil sellers, someone will come up with a excuse as to why its not a good idea. Most everyone wants it stopped, but no one wants to compromise anything. Basically its all one big s@#t sandwich, and we're all gonna have to take a bite.

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Originally Posted by Eye_Gore

For every possible way that someone can think of a way to limit gil sellers, someone will come up with a excuse as to why its not a good idea. Most everyone wants it stopped, but no one wants to compromise anything. Basically its all one big s@#t sandwich, and we're all gonna have to take a bite.

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My suggestion was pretty simple - hit them in the profits vs time ratio.

Wouldn't work anyway, the result is that RMT will level up their spambots to 50, it's really not a problem for them, it doesn't take them long to level up to 50 and they have huge reserves. It's like DRM, it only serves to screw over the legit players while the rest will just laugh off. A short moment of silence while RMT is leveling up their first bots is not worth the restrictions.

A whitelisting will work for /tells but then the bots start spamming shouts again, making this chat channel unusable and filtered by everyone.

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Originally Posted by Edeline

You can't stop gilsellers. The only thing you can do is restrict their actions, making it harder for them to the point it's not profitable. Now it comes to the part where you have to carefully choose those in order not to hurt your legit community. One suggestion taken from other games was the options to block incoming tells from certain levels range. Spammers are lv1 chars that get deleted every few mins and remade after, even reporting them is useless because they'll no longer exist. Give people the option to block them directly at Lv1. This would force spammer bots to either give up or level up. Leveling up means time lost for them, and then getting banned after spending time in leveling up, not profitable.

http://i.imgur.com/icWXeqR.jpg

Some say this is very newbie unfriendly. But truth is, the way it is going right now, we have the Busy status, which basically works the same but it punishes us, not being able to be traded, tells from friends, invited to parties or whatever. So far I've never got a tell from a newbie asking stuff, they usually ask on Shout. Also in the hypothetical case I don't want to be whispered or "bothered" I would ignore those newbie tells anyway, so this wouldn't really hurt them, but it would help the rest as we're not obliged to reply.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...51#post2858351

As said in the above post. Leveling for them is not an issue all they do it set their bot and go about their business with multiple accounts and who knows how many characters, its basically unlimited. Ever see those piles of BLM's standing around, looks like one character but if you examine them its like 7 or more just piled up in the same location? They don't care they'll just level more characters.

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Originally Posted by Eye_Gore

As said in the above post. Leveling for them is not an issue all they do it set their bot and go about their business with multiple accounts and who knows how many characters, its basically unlimited. Ever see those piles of BLM's standing around, looks like one character but if you examine them its like 7 or more just piled up in the same location? They don't care they'll just level more characters.

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It is an issue for them. They need constant spam reminding their playerbase the links. Even if they bot it, they won't THAT fast, they're losing time. Spotting them while botting is even easier than chars that get deleted and you can't track anymore. And you won't see 10 different spammers every minute. I already have seen this happen in another game.

There is no "perfect solution" to kill RMT. But, there can be minor tweaks to help reduce their benefits.
Tweaks like this suggestion will force them to lose time. We can also prevent tell spamming, by forcing a "cooldown" on subsequent tells, even just a few seconds.
One that could be very effective IMO is a "Red List" status. By selecting it, your name would disapper from the search results. Therefore, the only tells or Friend request you would receive would be from people that already know your name or by people than can target you.

I've also thought of preventing direct gil trading by adding a bank transfer system. This way, the game could keep track of who's trading to who, and help detect sellers as well as buyers.

What I would really like would be to have a new right click option when you have these tells. Being able to right click and report for gil spamming would be wonderful especially if it also acted like WoW in that it would temporarily blacklist them until the next time you logged out. That way we would not be clogging up our real blacklist with all these spammers and reporting them would be much easier.

The report should include whatever text was associated with the name you clicked that way it would be obvious if someone was trying to abuse the system to report players who were not gil spamming.

Ban them, ban them hard.

That is all.

OK, obviously they have to be certain that someone did in fact buy gil from a confirmed RMT seller before banning them.

Other than that, and as have been suggested before;

Make blacklist entries account wide. This would slow down RMTs by costing them more accounts in the long run, but it would also have a superb effect on reducing harassment as a player being harassed would be able to block not only the specific character being used to harass them, but the entire account, so the offender cannot fall back on alts to continue the harassment.

Add a "report as RMT spam" option on the right click on a name in the chat log to enable faster reporting of RMT spam. most people I know have given up reporting this crap because it a) takes too long for each report, b) they only ever get a automated form letter reply anyway, and c) they don't want to spend their free time when they should be playing, working on RMT spam reports.

Oh, and for crying out loud please take some action against the players who are actually buying gil from RMT gil sellers, make the action blatantly obvious to the player base so that there is a deterrent effect please.