It's seriously time. Can we start a petition against the handles on MNK weapons?

This has been bothering me since my original pair of Sphairai.
Can we stop with the design of making super huge monk weapons that are clearly designed to fit to a person's hands, yet instead of having our hands slot into the weapons, we hold a stupid little handle at the bottom of it?

This is so nitpicky, but it's so ugly. Take Kaiser Knuckles Zeta. It's a claw weapon, it has the claws, it also has a hand portion. You would think there'd be something you fit your hand into under the "hand" of the weapon, maybe a handle at the front you grab onto for extra control. But no, there's just a lonesome handle at the bottom, so that you're in fact holding a larger hand with your hand. It looks dumb.

#Hands>ClawsNotHands>Hands>Claws

http://i.imgur.com/UBTZHOm.png

Yes please, the handles irritate the hell out of me. Your hands should be seated farther up in the weapons.

Amen.

I can't remember all the times I've mentioned how PGL/MNK weapons were disgusting in design so much that I refuse to play the role despite it being a pretty cool class.

I don't even play MNK and this has been bothering me from the start.

I have to wonder how our characters would even hold these things straight? They should be a-floppin up and down
And yes, of all the things in the game this is where I'm drawing the line for suspension of disbelief. Fight me about it.

Yes.

This.

So much it hurts.

I agree fully. Also, this added to my post count. Yay.

Bothers me so much because the handle actually makes it completely useless as a weapon.

I'd like it if you could glamour MNK weapons off. MNK is the closest we have to martial arts, but I want it without the weapons.

Though I may be just making a stupid suggestion that's influenced by my recent watching and liking of Ip Man.

OP, I can't like your post enough.

Seriously, the stupid handles really irritate me.
Although, to be perfectly honest... a lot of the MNK weapon designs irritate me to no end.
Usually they're comically huge- claws that are as big and long as words or they're made to look comically huge because of the stupid handle. Mind you, I get it, there are SOME weapons that are like what we have in game, that is large and with handles, i.e. Katar's, Tekko, Wind and Fire wheels, just to name a few.... but there is no reason why every h2h weapon has to be so big and have a stupid handle attached to it.
This is especially true for something like the Hellish Claws.
http://i.imgur.com/DknJWbD.png

dat....mnk weapon... =_+;
http://i.imgur.com/q5hCTCo.png

oh and my current favorite....>_>;; /sarcasm
http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...e670d82225.jpg

-________-; I rest my case...

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oh and my current favorite....>_>;; /sarcasm
http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...e670d82225.jpg

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I just threw up in my mouth a little.

Yeah it's... really kind of bad.

One or two don't look half bad; this is kind of how I'd like more of the Monk weapons to look, even though it's far from perfect. More "slid overtop of your hands" and less "weird club weapons"
http://41.media.tumblr.com/4a6db5af2...o3_r1_1280.png
(This is the Hellish Claws, from the initial extreme primal triad)

...That said I imagine they'd have to do quite a bit to rework all monk weapons at this point >:

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Originally Posted by ziddyt

I have to wonder how our characters would even hold these things straight? They should be a-floppin up and down
And yes, of all the things in the game this is where I'm drawing the line for suspension of disbelief. Fight me about it.

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They are straight because that's how strong the steel is to make them :p. If they flopped up and down then they wouldn't be very strong would they?

Also OP, if you want to get them changed why not draw how the models could hold the new monk weapons? It's all well and good to complain but it takes dev time to do something like this. Personally I would like that dev time allocated to actual content, but if you take the hard work and show the devs how they can animated it the way you want it animated it may take less time.

Least the monk weapon in the pax video doesn't look too bad imo :/

http://www.mullocksauctions.co.uk/wm...e2012C/452.jpg

The link shows an example of a real historical katar. So they are representing the weapon correctly. As to why they don't flop around they are designed to pierce (which is my bigger problem with these weapons as they deal blunt damage still for whatever reason) not slash, so think straight punching and not so much haymakers.

That being said I too don't like the design and suggest they should make it less realistic since you know...dragons, fairies, magic and all that jazz.

If I'm not mistaken, physically the knuckle weapons need to be either attachments to a closely fit grip that forms an extension of your knuckles, or they need to be attachments on full gauntlets---the gauntlet itself is the fist/knuckle weapon. Weapons where the grip is just a rod/straight handle, the weapon itself will swivel in your grip when you strike.

Yet many of the fist weapons in this game have just a straight handle with the striking ends attached to the outside ring that does not come in contact with your fist. They really don't look credible.

I'd say the best solution would be to develop gauntlet type weapons that has a model replacing the glove model, and while "sheathed" the glove models are shown.

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

The link shows an example of a real historical katar. So they are representing the weapon correctly.

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Notice how it has two bars for grip. But many in-game models only have 1 bar, if I'm not mistaken.

Exactly. Please at least give MNK a good relic this time.

Oh god yes, some of the monk weapons look great, but then you get down to the handles and think..why? If I wore these like a pair of gloves it would be WAY better.

#WeirdDesignChoices

It's weird, because most of the low-level stuff is all actual fist weapons that just look like brass knuckles with varying degrees of fancy bits on them. Those I like. These endgame ones I do not.

Need to steal an idea from WOW and have some super-minimalist fist weapons that are just brass knuckles or boxing tape that you can use for transmog purposes.

The majority of them are based on the larger and some times longer Katars:
http://www.himalayan-imports.com/ass...ges/Katar2.jpg
http://www.vajramutthi.org/img/pictu...or20katar1.jpg

What you're suggesting is more on line with the much smaller Push daggers/knives or shanks:
http://files.harrispublications.com/...-length-bw.jpg
http://graphicassault.com/wp-content...fe_8941_bg.jpg

However, all the weapons in the game are very oversized to make them look more dynamic. Otherwise they loose much of the detail and gravitas if they were all scaled down to their proper sizes. But I would like to see more, knuckle and glove/gauntlet styled h2h weapons just for the variety.

I have issues with most of the over sized weapons, many of them make sense on more cartoony designs like in WoW, but the models in this have reasonably 'realistic' proportions. When I don't grip something like curtana correctly I have an issue.

Yes!!

This bothers me SO MUCH on almost every single monk weapon!
It looks bad and makes no sense

Signed +1

10/char

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Originally Posted by JimboTCB

It's weird, because most of the low-level stuff is all actual fist weapons that just look like brass knuckles with varying degrees of fancy bits on them. Those I like. These endgame ones I do not.

Need to steal an idea from WOW and have some super-minimalist fist weapons that are just brass knuckles or boxing tape that you can use for transmog purposes.

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There are a couple of horas ingame that suit your description. What I'm confused is what is the primary means of damage the monk should be dealing with weapons. They're literally all over the place when they're designed to either be for striking, stabbing or straight up clawing. The last two doesn't even suit most of the much animations either.

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Originally Posted by Anapingofness

oh and my current favorite....>_>;; /sarcasm
http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...e670d82225.jpg

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I just threw up in my mouth a little.

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Yo dawg, I heard you like fists, so we put a fist on your fist so you can punch while you punch.

+1 x14

As if grease lightning wasn't stressful enough, you're also worried about your character breaking their wrists every time they take a swing. Nearly every weapon above lv50 looks insanely inefficient, unless of course you're hammer-fisting your enemies.

I don't even play MNK, but I still support this thread. As you've all said, it looks terrible, and would function even worse.

Just wanted to point out that yes, the katars we have in-game is one thing. But when the weapon is a huge, hand-shaped claw, the 'wield it by this bar attached to the end' kinda ceases to make sense. ^^;

Besides, all those pictures of irl katars? Notice how they have two handlebars, presumably to help you holding it steady. The in-game weapons? One handle bar. Meaning it'd more than likely swivel around in your hand when you waved it around. The 'weapon flopping around' comment early on wasn't a comment on the actual weapon flopping, but on the improbability of holding it steady with no balancing support anywhere.

So yeah, add my support here. =D
(Will most likely glamour one of those early, sleeker types of weapons onto my relic once I get going with it ¬_¬)

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

http://www.mullocksauctions.co.uk/wm...e2012C/452.jpg

The link shows an example of a real historical katar. So they are representing the weapon correctly. As to why they don't flop around they are designed to pierce (which is my bigger problem with these weapons as they deal blunt damage still for whatever reason) not slash, so think straight punching and not so much haymakers.

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Using your image as reference, imagine one's knuckles were wrapped around a handle at 1" instead of 5" and you'll see why ARR weapons are silly. Thrusting power should come from directly behind the business end, not half a foot away. May as well use a spear at that point.

On that note, you don't see DRGs holding their spears 90% of the way up the shaft. They hold it about halfway. Better balance, heavier thrust.

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Originally Posted by Noxifer

Just wanted to point out that yes, the katars we have in-game is one thing. But when the weapon is a huge, hand-shaped claw, the 'wield it by this bar attached to the end' kinda ceases to make sense. ^^;

Besides, all those pictures of irl katars? Notice how they have two handlebars, presumably to help you holding it steady. The in-game weapons? One handle bar. Meaning it'd more than likely swivel around in your hand when you waved it around. The 'weapon flopping around' comment early on wasn't a comment on the actual weapon flopping, but on the improbability of holding it steady with no balancing support anywhere.

So yeah, add my support here. =D
(Will most likely glamour one of those early, sleeker types of weapons onto my relic once I get going with it ¬_¬)

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Thank you for posting this so I didn't have to.

Paladin shields too please.

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Originally Posted by SekhmetM

Paladin shields too please.

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At least monks get handles....we get floating shields!

These would be better, I always think it should be more glove like in the way they are held.
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...Monk_FFXIV.png
Or even the second set in this photo.
http://neverwintervault.org/sites/ne...978fullres.jpg

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These would be better, I always think it should be more glove like in the way they are held.
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...Monk_FFXIV.png
Or even the second set in this photo.
http://neverwintervault.org/sites/ne...978fullres.jpg

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I miss lineage 2 Q____Q

I agree. Mnks would look so much better if they designed all mnk weapons to fit like a glove.

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Amen.

I can't remember all the times I've mentioned how PGL/MNK weapons were disgusting in design so much that I refuse to play the role despite it being a pretty cool class.

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That's what glamor is for, find a weapon you like the look of, and use that... :)

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Originally Posted by Magis

Yo dawg, I heard you like fists, so we put a fist on your fist so you can punch while you punch.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwWqFRsOcaY


also, signed

I love the Hellish Claws. I hate how they look with my hands holding them. MNK weapons reminds me of those kitschy flyswatters shaped like human hands.

I wonder how difficult it would be to alternate between the two? Have some MNK weapons that can be held (like in the screenshot above) and others that fit like gloves? I'm loving the glove idea though... more claws, less horas, SE pls

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Originally Posted by Almalexia

Using your image as reference, imagine one's knuckles were wrapped around a handle at 1" instead of 5" and you'll see why ARR weapons are silly. Thrusting power should come from directly behind the business end, not half a foot away. May as well use a spear at that point.

One that note, you don't see DRGs holding their spears 90% of the way up the shaft. They hold it about halfway. Better balance, heavier thrust.

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Side Note: However, as a trained combat artist in real life, you CAN hold a spear 90% up the shaft and use it as a fighting technique. In fact there are three "grips" used in spear wielding, center top and bottom and being able to transition between all three fluidly makes for a very deadly opponent.

Main note: Really the only thing silly--like already mentioned--is that the handles are perfectly cylindrical which would interfere with being able to grip it well (think the more cylindrical the stronger your personal power to grip something is) which is why in the real life images you see two rods that have an expanding center so when you grip it it is easier to hold without it "flopping" around. That being said you do no need two bars to accomplish this feat the bar just need not be a perfect cylinder. Now, will S-E fix this? Probably not because it might have something to do with hand vs weapon proportions or something along those lines.

(Still if possible to change, I support it.)

Kotemon, those weapons were clearly designed with the physics in mind for how much leverage your hand and wrist can bring to bear when using the weapon. The ones in game would be impossible to use in real life since you'd have no leverage to keep the weapon aligned as you used it.