It literally comes out of nowhere. Now you may say "but Titan has rock and everyone loves it." Heres the thing about Titan. Even before the match starts, theres a guitar rift and the theme gradually builds up. So when the rock does start playing its not entirely out of nowhere. His theme also fits with the fight itself, things falling and exploding, Titan trying to send you plummeting off the arena, its chaos and the rock adds to it.
Literally out of nowhere. Then comes Shiva. With a beautiful orchestrated theme that fits her character thats both elegant and gives a sense of her strength and then.... rock music. The song doesnt do her justice at all. It sounds too much like a montage song. I expect Shiva to make a montage of her working out to be a boxer or something. Now look at Garuda's theme. It fits her. It starts of with similar vibe as Shiva but it is done so much better and it starts soon so it doesnt feel like it was placed there as an afterthought. She also had a mix between a guitar and orchestra which is what shouldve been dont with Shiva. Also Garuda's theme is far more tragic as the lyrics fit her lore. Yes her theme has lyrics, its just hard to hear their short, but it gives a better sense of who she is. This is Garuda's lyrics Falling too far from the light, Deeper into the night, Lost here inside my own hell, I am a broken angel. Those few lines make Garuda far more interesting than any Primal in my opinion.
Why I dont like the rock music for Shiva
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03-06-2015, 02:41 AMLilyarelWhy I dont like the rock music for Shiva
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03-06-2015, 02:59 AMFenral
Soken composed two opposing themes for Shiva at the request of the battle team, to highlight her dual nature as both a person and a Primal. If you listen closely, they're actually two completely different arrangements of the same melody, so the songs are much more closely connected than you might think at first.
Also, the rock theme prompted me to break out my The World Ends With You OST again, so it's a winner in my book. -
03-06-2015, 03:15 AMJinrya-GekiIn my opinion, most of 2.0's music is boring to me. Shiva is one of the few exceptions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilyarel
All the other primal songs are annoying, ESPECIALLY Ramuh's opening part with the loud wailing. It's why the only song in Xenogears I hate is at the very end of the game at the end cutscene with Krelian. I am pretty sure it's actually the same lady. -
03-06-2015, 03:18 AMBrightshadow
Atleast be happy that she got two themes, ifrit got one theme and it's not as epic as the other themes. I wish SE would atleast add a rock theme to him after his first limit break.
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03-06-2015, 03:34 AMOphie-Mio
Though they use the same basic melody on two ends of the opposite spectrum, I still believe firmly that two people had two different ideas for the song. One wanted more orchestral and one wanted rock with that singer. Instead of reaching a compromise, they got what they got and PRed the result.
Just because it has the same basic notes in it throughout doesn't mean it transitions or blends well. It's still the most disappointing music in the game for me. -
03-06-2015, 06:30 AMChiiSoSeriouzThis is right. It's suppose to be a juxtaposition of the themes. The duality of her own self image.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenral
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03-06-2015, 06:42 AMGarlyleCrap, it just hit me that they do have a similar kind of sound, don't they?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenral
It's not expected that everyone loves every boss track, I think. I know a few people who can't stand Leviathan's music, and I think a lot of people haven't paid attention to Ifrit's theme in a long time.
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03-06-2015, 06:54 AMIzsha
I personally loved it. Garuda was my favorite primal music before shiva. It fits the combat choreography perfectly imo. The initial slow pace of the fight wi th smooth orchestral music m culminating in an anti climax as we freeze in a frozen wonderland with ice as far as the eye can see is great. The silence and the sassy stiletto stomp and the giant walls of ice crashing down around us while the drums kick in to the more intense section of the fight. Perfect.
My favorite by a long shot, though garuda is still in my heart. -
03-06-2015, 07:03 AMDyne_Fellpool
I think all the Primals have really good music, and I like how partway through on a lot of them the music gets kicked up a notch as if saying "sh*t just got real"
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03-06-2015, 07:22 AMLyndis
Both of Shiva's theme together are one of my favorite things in this game.
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03-06-2015, 07:31 AMPrimeEvilPanda
Thank God - I thought I was the only one.
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03-06-2015, 07:35 AMRyuRoots
My issue with the second half of Shiva's theme isn't any kind of musical thematic one, it's just that it's awful. I'm kind of aghast that so many people defend it. Even the themes I'm not as big on (Leviathan, Ifrit) have a solid sound that I feel matches the fight. But going from that gorgeous orchestra to such punk trash is...saddening. Hearing the chant of "Bow down, overdweller!" with the heavy guitars in Titan's fight makes me pumped up. Hearing a singer of questionable competence spew poetry at me while this riff-raff plays behind her just makes me think "what the hell is this crap?" I'll never forget that first Shiva fight, having went in blind and loving EVERYTHING about it, including diamond dust itself. Then...
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03-06-2015, 07:37 AMMoqi
Shiva has a great soundtrack, it really pumps you up. I'm sick of pompous, "epic" music (Liberi Fatali, One winged angel...) for bosses. There are different genres you can experiment with, it doesn't always have to be chorus chants and Latin.
FFXIV's soundtrack is one of the things I love the most because it's so out there compared to the rest of the series and really takes you by surprise with some music that you would never think of for certain fights. Same thing with the FFXIII trilogy which is why I loved that too. -
03-06-2015, 07:40 AMFenral
Even if it occasionally shoots itself in the head, I do really like how pretty much all of FFXIV, down to the soundtrack, is one giant mashup of every genre out there.
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03-06-2015, 07:56 AMOphie-MioYes. A thousand times over this.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyuRoots
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03-06-2015, 08:09 AMmyahele
Its still better than Leviathan: 1st part was a drumbs which sets the mood of foreboding....then the 2nd half play it it sounds like one of those 80-90's surfing songs
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03-06-2015, 08:17 AMAeyishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqJRnD5HuZwQuote:
Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki
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03-06-2015, 08:51 AMBlaiseArath
Shiva is far and away my favorite Primal theme save maybe Garuda.
Come at me / deal with it. -
03-06-2015, 09:09 AMJinrya-GekiDon't know what the point of the link was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aeyis
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03-06-2015, 09:20 AMRhaisI am one of them, I can't stand it. In my opinion it is just obnoxious and headache inducing, and it really fails to set the mood. You are supposedly in an epic confrontation with a god like being and the music does not convey that at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garlyle
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03-06-2015, 10:02 AMthunderbreak
I think if the vocal was taken out of Shiva phase 2 theme, then it'll be much better.
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03-06-2015, 10:07 AMLimecatYeah, I was thinking the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenral
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03-06-2015, 10:08 AMEdellis
Leviathian's didn't bother me at all, but for some reason shiva's theme struck a serious nerve with me. On the other hand, Ramuh and Midgardsormr's themes have risen to some of my favorite in the FF series as a whole.
Shiva's...The first part is great. Second part has grown on me, but it's the type of vocals that bother me more than anything.