I've got a bone to pick with SE. Let me post a few shots of what we call "daggers."
Khanjars
http://puu.sh/gnyDG/c072091485.jpg
Sasuke's Blades Zeta
http://puu.sh/gnyPQ/6a8827f3ba.jpg
Serpent Elite's Knives
http://puu.sh/gnySE/b22c2765a7.jpg
These things are way too big, they're even as long as the Gladiator's "spatha" type sword
http://puu.sh/gnzxn/0b6e605af6.jpg
http://puu.sh/gnzBV/f0928a3800.jpg
Here are some Daggers of the appropriate size:
Mythril Baselards
http://puu.sh/gnzrx/efb7e34918.jpg
Vamper's Knives
http://puu.sh/gnzuB/f09c725f5d.jpg
Mortal Moggle Mogknives
http://puu.sh/gnzDY/ec25b2d1d2.jpg
If you were to line these daggers up with the arm, the blades would barely go past the elbow at most.
For another reference, here's the dagger that the Khanjars are modeled from:
http://puu.sh/gnzNN/8f7e133a45.jpg
RealTalk: Dagger Sizes
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03-06-2015, 01:46 AMVintaRealTalk: Dagger Sizes
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03-06-2015, 01:49 AMVinta
My main point here is that I want whoever handles Square Enix's weapon designs to take a step back from his or her work and reevaluate what he or she considers a dagger, because these weapons are clearly shortswords.
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03-06-2015, 01:49 AMFyrmurlFloerasksyn
I don't really see a problem. I like the bigger weapon size.
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03-06-2015, 01:57 AMEvangela
Batliege Soto.
I'm fine with their size but I want to see more short katanas (a little longer than daggers) like Yoshimitsu though.
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03-06-2015, 02:05 AMAllistar
What I would like to see is a true separation of daggers and katana sword. Daggers for ROG and katana swords for NIN. There should be a definitive difference.
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03-06-2015, 02:53 AMAlexionSkylark
My dagger is bigger than yours.
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03-06-2015, 02:59 AMVelhart
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03-06-2015, 03:09 AMDocent
I like lengthier daggers. If I cared at all about my Ninja, I would get the Khanjars glamours without a second thought.
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03-06-2015, 03:10 AMElazu
They are good like this.
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03-06-2015, 03:24 AMNinjaTaru72THIS. All day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Velhart
An as of that. I want Zidane daggers in the game now. XD
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03-06-2015, 03:30 AMRolandDebreton
I go out of my way to glamour realistic weapons. Curtana, for example did not last long. I'm the same with daggers. I'd like more realistic weapons and smaller meaningful sizes. I'm guessing the giant sizes are people wanting their glams to have more snap/size/shine.
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03-06-2015, 03:46 AMRolandDebreton
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03-06-2015, 03:59 AMLusavari
Over sized daggers are not limited to Square Enix games. It's pretty industry standard.
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03-06-2015, 04:05 AMBlaiseArathI'd say FFXI would like a word with you but that seems to be the exception to the MMO rules. Their Daggers always felt like daggers but never felt like they were so small it was laughable/weak. its like they actually cared to imagine a proper model size for a dagger :D. --- I do like my Khanjar's but seriously the first thing i noticed were that they were basically freaking Cutlass sized. They're originally FFXI items as well, "Darksteel Jambiya". Its still my current glamour cause MA NOSTALGIA but dang.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lusavari
Edit: Here's a picture of the model. Notice how they still look as dangerous/etc, but also realistically dagger sized.
http://cdn.ffxipro.com/images/ss/ful...brdpx9lq0D.jpg
I don't really mind the huge daggers alot though. -
03-06-2015, 04:26 AMReokudo
Gods damn it, I was wondering why the Khanjars looked familiar.
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03-06-2015, 04:37 AMEhayte
Who said they were daggers? Please cite in-game text that explains that NINs only wield daggers.
Clearly, if a PLD is able to wield anything between a gladius and the Curtana, which is arguable something like a broadsword, then its totally reasonable that NINs would have the ability to wield both daggers and long-knives, which I think any of those fit into.
Some of the weapons are going to be bigger than normal and some will be smaller to add flavor to the world. -
03-06-2015, 05:26 AMAlphaDragoon
I see no problem here. In fact, add more short sword-esque models.
The real problem to me is lack of proper kodachi-style weapons other than the Yoshimitsu, for that real NIN look. -
03-06-2015, 06:48 AMLindaru^this so much, this game is missing Mage Mashers. D:Quote:
Originally Posted by NinjaTaru72
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03-06-2015, 07:01 AMSongi
I just want Dancer class added in game.
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03-06-2015, 07:03 AMFumaI couldn't agree more, I use the batliege soto as well, there are very few ninja-esque weapons in the game, everything is a dagger it feels except relic. Really we should have very few daggers and several katanas and kunai.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evangela
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03-06-2015, 08:12 AMBlaiseArathBroadswords and Gladius are still both by any and all accounts you will find, Swords. So your comparison is flawed slightly. Yes there are some Knives longer than others, some daggers smaller, but the real difference between Knife and Dagger is a Dagger is a double sided weapon and a Knife has only one serrated edge. But to keep with the topic at hand, the Khanjar are very large in all senses of the word. Length and Width.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ehayte
The Khanjars in XIV is about 1/2 the size of my entire Mithran body. their size contradicts the NIN and ROG job/class in general... You're not throwing around a weapon that big with speed and precision, and thats the entire concept of the job lore wise. The entire feel of a rogue-like class is their nimble actions, which is only possibly because they don't use ridiculously oversized and heavy weapons.
As for "Who says NINs [strike]go from 1-10[/strike] only wield daggers?", well, apart from digging around cutscenes for far to many hours knowing full well even if I found proof you wouldn't believe it or change your mind so I'm not wasting my time... the best I got is the jobs lore from release/lodestone...
I see nothing in that saying "Pride themselves on wielding large bulky weapons to slow themselves down" or "Short Swords and Cutlasses" or anything of the sort. you can say something like "Long Knives", but for that sake of argument, I direct you here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knife There's nothing about Knives being half the size of a human body like these weapons are. Knives and Daggers do vary in size but I've never seen a Knife half the size of an adult, at that point its a sword of some sort.Quote:
These agile fighters pride themselves on their skills with knives and daggers to make quick work of enemies.
I like variety in weapons, Hell I love the Khanjars because I've enjoyed their model since XI, but they are just a bit on the silly side. Its not like I'm demanded they be resized, but I have to acknowledge that they are huge like xbox.
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Most of the Golden Saucer glamour weapons are from XI :DQuote:
Gods damn it, I was wondering why the Khanjars looked familiar.
The bow is "Lamian Kaman"
the WHM Staff is the Staff wielded by certain NM Lamia in XI
the BLM Staff is the Soulflayer staff
the Polearm is the Mamool Ja spear (the one in Wanderer's Palace uses it too)
the Daggers are the Jambiya we're discussing
Blood Sword share a name and similar design to an XI weapon. I don't think the hand-2-hand has anything to do with XI, and the Shield is Odin's. -
03-06-2015, 08:21 AMFenral
Please stop calling the Ninja relic a "katana." Japanese swords of that length and (lack of) curve are called tanto, though the "thick blade" mentioned in the relic quest would make the pair of Yoshimitsu a subtype called a yoroidooshi.
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03-06-2015, 08:41 AMEvangelaok it's short katana.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenral
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03-06-2015, 10:03 AMMimiluCan we really use Zidane (or anyone from IX) to show proportion? In Dissidia, he is around Onion Knight's height, who is still a preteen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Velhart
Plus, Zidane's daggers/knifes combine to make thief-swords/double-ended swords. -
03-06-2015, 10:05 AMEdellis
people make threads about the silliest nuances.
The funny thing is, they're always serious, heartfelt issues that are eating away at OP's mind, enough to warrant a thread and developer insults. -
03-06-2015, 10:16 AMBlaiseArathSome people worry/are concerned about X, some about Y... Its no stranger than human nature in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edellis
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03-06-2015, 10:29 AMEdellisFunny enough, I can't recall Zidane being all that short in relation to other NPCs in the game. Majority of the characters in FF9 were on height with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mimilu
I think it was just an art style quip that made him seem short. I wouldn't be surprised if he was average height, really. -
03-06-2015, 10:44 AMMimiluIn the IX world, I think he is average sized but when brought into the world of Dissidia (which that picture is from) and compared to other heroes, he is short.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edellis
IX's Height Comparison
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...parisons_1.jpg
Dissidia's Height Comparison
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...yone-large.png
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03-06-2015, 10:48 AMEdellisHuh, interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mimilu
I'm inclined to believe this was just an idea they had to make him short. Especially when Kuja is significantly taller than him...which, storyline wise, makes no sense. -
03-06-2015, 01:54 PMSteady
All this tells me is that there is a variety of dagger choices and you can glamour which you like best.
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03-06-2015, 02:55 PMDarlan_Ashwood
This is classic Final Fantasy tho. Cloud's Buster Sword is taller than he is and would weigh 80+ pounds, yet he spins it around like its paper.
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03-06-2015, 03:33 PMEvangelaKuja is a giant in FFIX world then. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mimilu
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03-06-2015, 03:38 PMBuckles
The person who designs your giant 'daggers' is probably the same person who designs my Monk's 'blunt' weapons...
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03-06-2015, 07:26 PMFueSpeaking of monk weapons. Wheres my emperors new fists glamour :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckles