Do EX Primals really have a better card drop rate?

Recently I've been seeing an awful lot of people claiming that EX primals have a better drop rate than HM primals and I'm trying to figure out if this is an actual fact or just rumored assumptions coming from players because EX are harder.

Can anybody point me towards some actual data with a decent sample size showing that the EX primals have a better drop rate or did I miss a dev mentioning this somewhere?

The reason I'm skeptical is because I haven't gotten a card from an EX primal after over 30 wins. I also have a number of friends with a similar amount of wins and no cards to show for it. I understand 30 wins is a relatively small sample size and doesn't prove anything aside from bad luck however so I'm just wondering why everybody is coming to the conclusion that EX primals have a better drop rate?

If you're going to answer, please leave your assumptions out of this. I'm not looking for a debate, I'm looking for real data or dev posts. I'm not saying the drop rates aren't better, simply looking for evidence.

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Nobody knows except the devs.

I have no hard data or anything like that, but I can echo the notion that cards seem to pour out of extreme primals compared to hard mode primals. I'd be hard pressed to get a card from a hard mode primal after 20+ runs, but usually within 5 runs or so of any extreme I'll have gotten the card 1-2 times. I've seen people get the cards multiple fights in a row during extreme primals, something I've never seen in any hard mode primal.

It's just personal experience but it seems to be pretty widely accepted the extreme mode versions drop it more often.

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Originally Posted by Sleigh

I have no hard data or anything like that, but I can echo the notion that cards seem to pour out of extreme primals compared to hard mode primals. I'd be hard pressed to get a card from a hard mode primal after 20+ runs, but usually within 5 runs or so of any extreme I'll have gotten the card 1-2 times. I've seen people get the cards multiple fights in a row during extreme primals, something I've never seen in any hard mode primal.

It's just personal experience but it seems to be pretty widely accepted the extreme mode versions drop it more often.

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I've seen countless reports of it as well. Too bad Shiva EX (which is also accepted as being a joke of a fight) is blocked behind Moogle EX which nobody runs and when you join a DF, enjoy the wipes and then vote to abandon.

I have yet to see any card drop from an EX, though I have seen them drop on my first try at Titan HM, and Leviathan HM. King Moggle took me three damn days.

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Originally Posted by Bluevann

I have yet to see any card drop from an EX, though I have seen them drop on my first try at Titan HM, and Leviathan HM. King Moggle took me three damn days.

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Could you please tell us how many EX runs you did?

As for myself I did about 40 Moogle HM runs, and got nothing. Only one guy in all those runs said he got the card too.

Did 10 Shiva HM and nothing as well.

I'm not bothering anymore since there is no point for me to do that content now that I'm over 60 cards (also done with Rowena and Landenen's Random BS rule, so the increase in 3/4 star cards in my pool of cards won't do crap)

When I run ex primals, a card drops for at least one person every run or two. HM? Could be 20+ without a drop for a party.

My personal experience for the primal cards:
-Ifrit, Titan, Garuda, Leviathan and Ramuh were all off NPCs who dropped them.

During a 6 hour window of Garuda HM being bonus for Zeta, I ran it about 80-85 times, even completing my Zeta with not a single card. :(

NPC that drops Garuda was no walk in the park either (due to Chaos rule). Took about 50 wins before I received a drop (draws and losses would total well over 200)... though Ifrit, Titan, Leviathan and Ramuh were all under 10 wins. :)

And King Moogle, I had no luck when doing it on HM (4-5 times) but EX dropped first go... Shiva EX I've tried 3 times with no drop though I haven't begun to farm her card seriously yet.

I guess I've been lucky with primals but it counterbalances the bad luck I had when grinding a single card for 4 days! (*cough* Gaius)

Reading post on various forums its seems apparent that EX primals drop cards at a much higher rate.

I did 100 runs of Shiva HM and didn't get a card. Then I ran Shiva EX for 30 times and no card drop there...

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Originally Posted by Hyunckel

Could you please tell us how many EX runs you did?

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I don't have the exact numbers of my HM attempts, but I've done EXes just for clears/weekly, so I'm roughly at...

Titan EX: 0/1
Garuda EX: 0/1
Ifrit EX: 0/1
King Moggle EX: 0/1
Leviahan EX: 0/1
Ramuh EX: 0/1

Then I did some HMs for the relics I was missing (SMN and SCH):
Titan HM: 1/2
Ifrit HM: 0/2
Garuda HM: 0/2

and some MSQ
Leviathan HM: 1/2
Ramuh HM: 0/1

Last but not least, I farmed King Moggle HM specifically for the card and, as I said, it took me 3 days or so. I esteem somewhere around 30-50 attempts.

Also as a side note, got Ultima Weapon's card 1/1 on Ultimate Ballade. Gilgamesh & Enkidu took me 3-4 tries or less.

I also heard that the lower level dungeon drops (Demon Wall, Sahagin etc) have more chance of dropping their respective cards. No idea if true though

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Originally Posted by Aeliott

I also heard that the lower level dungeon drops (Demon Wall, Sahagin etc) have more chance of dropping their respective cards. No idea if true though

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I can attest this.

Tomberry: (lv50, Wanderer's Palace) 1/8+ attempts
Siren: (lv50, Pharos Sirius) 1/20+ attempts
Demon Wall: (lv50, Amdapor Keep) 1/5+ attempts

Sahagin: (lv15 Sastasha) 1/1
Ahriman: (lv44 Dzmael Darkhold) 1/1

I have never got a card from a hm primal, Ive got 2 cards from ex primals. I ran the ex primals 15 times in total. I've run 100+ hm primals and never heard of a card drop.
Are you sure hm primals even drop cards? I've never heard anyone get a hm primal card

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

I have never got a card from a hm primal, Ive got 2 cards from ex primals. I ran the ex primals 15 times in total. I've run 100+ hm primals and never heard of a card drop.
Are you sure hm primals even drop cards? I've never heard anyone get a hm primal card

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Definitely sure they drop cards, my luck has been pretty bad on both hm and ex though. It seems like mixed reviews in here so far, some people seem to get more drops from HM and some get more from EX. So far there hasn't really been anything definitive, I'd say most of the testimonies were taken from memory rather than actually recorded data.

Not sure, i already have the titan and ifrit card but ive killed garuda on hm and extreme about a bazillion times each and have yet to see it

I doubt it. If there is, its probably not much of a difference. For example, 1% for HM and 3% for EX. I've done about 20 Shiva's and 12 Leviathan's and I've yet to see them drop a single card. However, I've heard people get a card in a few tries of an EX primal so... -shrug- RNG is RNG.

A friend farmed Shiva EX with his FC yesterday after 30 mins he complained to get the card every run :o
Another friend got Garuda card at a single EX run we did...
I myself only get in Dungeons :/
Dezma, AK, Pharos, Sasti HM were lucky for me so far (While "grinding" for relic items and AK was even lucky enough card + drop ^^)