Sch Novus - Need recommendations

Hi guys. I'll be doing Novus soon. Which stats should I place for my sch. I'm sure that I'll be getting crit. I can't decide whether I should go pure det or add in some acc or piety. I am considering adding acc to be able to help dps in fcob. Miasma and aero kinda miss alot. Thanks

As much crit as you can afford.
As much det as you /want/.
Rest pure accuracy.

I can atest to the accuracy being worth it in the long run with a +33 on my Zeta I'm able to do atleast 200 on T13. The Crit will be there throughout gear but at least maxing it to it's third tier would be good IV only if you have the money. Your Crit won't reach the godly +53 but 41 can suffice crit is 14= 1 % so you'll barely miss a beat, considering you'll be able to DoT more it should be worth it over all

I actually went full crit, Det till the first IV and rest accuracy. Now that I have more gil I was wondering if I should remove the accuracy and go full det instead? I think I miss with my current set +2 possible stats.

I went 36 crit, 24 det, rest acc, as that gives you the most bonus points for Zodiac/Zeta outside of going full crit/det. The only other option I would consider is swapping the det for more acc, as it can be quite frustrating missing a miasma or aero in FCoB.

I grew so frustrated with missing energy drains and Miasma in FCoB that I grinded out Last Resort (from Zenith) in just a little over 2 weeks for the extra accuracy I could meld to it.

That said, just finish your Novus as quickly as possible so you can start your light farming. Meld 3 stats to it if you can't afford the grade IV materia and optimize it later when you've managed to acquire what you need.

I'd go with one of these:

1 - Crit + Accuracy
2 - Crit + Piety
3 - Crit + Piety + Accuracy

Crit + Det is overrated trash. You can't DPS properly where it matters because of laughable accuracy (coil + some ex primals) and you won't be able to heal properly either when things get nasty (DPS eating unnecessary damage, tanks not properly using CDs, people dying etc.). Anything that forces you to launch a few more heal casts and you are out of mana due to lack of piety.

But 35 DET make me heal from 1460 to 1485! Good...let me measure the usefulness of that...!

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LoL

I atm have crit 36 29 ss (love ss to a certain grade) 10 det though atm as we entering final coil and misses already in t9 bugged me remelding for full crit rest acc. Depending on RNGsus and my loss of crit IV materia might do more acc or keep few points ss as I seen that with full crit build my ss would go to default and... I kinda dont like it :/

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Originally Posted by PetiteMalFleur

I grew so frustrated with missing energy drains and Miasma in FCoB that I grinded out Last Resort (from Zenith) in just a little over 2 weeks for the extra accuracy I could meld to it.

That said, just finish your Novus as quickly as possible so you can start your light farming. Meld 3 stats to it if you can't afford the grade IV materia and optimize it later when you've managed to acquire what you need.

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Damn thats some dedication xD

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Originally Posted by Kuroyasha

Damn thats some dedication xD

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Lol it was grueling. However, I did have a completed nexus already so I had the alexandrite and was able to farm lights while working on the dungeon drops to turn in for the final step. This allowed me to work on several steps in tandem with each other and sped up the process. I actually finished the quest for last resort before completing my nexus.

Yah my Zeta had 48 Crit 30 Det and I think 26 Acc i have to double check. but it heals for more than my Dread codex because of the det. It heals for 70 more.

I JUST finished my 44crit/31det Zeta today and it came out at an awesome 53/39. In all honesty unless it comes to a point that we cant carry on the secondaries we pick on the current relic line I'd just go with this build because with Adloquium being a thing that exist and you having just a heal that basically equivalent to cure I against a class with 2 other tiers of cure with higher potencys it'll probably benefit you the most. But that's just my opinion what do I know :P

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Originally Posted by Seiko769

I JUST finished my 44crit/31det Zeta today and it came out at an awesome 53/39. In all honesty unless it comes to a point that we cant carry on the secondaries we pick on the current relic line I'd just go with this build because with Adloquium being a thing that exist and you having just a heal that basically equivalent to cure I against a class with 2 other tiers of cure with higher potencys it'll probably benefit you the most. But that's just my opinion what do I know :P

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No accuracy=good luck in final coil where you're expected to DPS.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

No accuracy=good luck in final coil where you're expected to DPS.

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It's not a huge tragedy. (S)he won't ever miss 3/5 of her dots and the extent to which most SCHs DPS is not high enough to get into the consistent Ruin spam zone. (Though the Energy Drain misses will blow like hell).

That being said, I advocate for max accuracy relics and my Zeta is at +53 Accuracy and +48 crit ;p...

I do both, 44crit/31det for general stuff and 44crit/31acc for coil and just switch back and forth between the two just costs 750 soldiery each swap of the stats

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Originally Posted by Aurelinaus

I do both, 44crit/31det for general stuff and 44crit/31acc for coil and just switch back and forth between the two just costs 750 soldiery each swap of the stats

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Who actually has that much materia and alexandrite to spare though...?

That's not a reasonable solution at all honestly. >.>

Grr I'll have to redo mine then. I did crit det and piety. Would rather not have 4 secondaries stats on my novus-zeta.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Who actually has that much materia and alexandrite to spare though...?

That's not a reasonable solution at all honestly. >.>

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Not as much as you think, and the second was a duplicate of the first that I simply removed the det infusions from, it's not like a scrolls are started from scratch.

I went Crit,det then acc. *Special note about acc. You will get extra points in acc every step of the way in the upgrading process. You might end out with a TON of acc. "But, hey why miss"

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Originally Posted by Aurelinaus

Not as much as you think, and the second was a duplicate of the first that I simply removed the det infusions from, it's not like a scrolls are started from scratch.

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Out of curiosity, doesn't that mean you need to carry three books?

(1) The Zodiac/Zeta you are main handing
(2) A Nexus that's 44 Crit/31 Det to copy a Crit/Det scroll
(3) A Novus that's 44 Crit/31 Acc to copy a Crit/Acc scroll

I know what you're aiming for, and I have thought of the same. Just making sure I understood the process right in case I wanted to run the gauntlet myself.

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On the topic of accuracy, I am of opinion that you only want to use accuracy if you are planning to do Final Coil. As it stands right now, in any other content, you should have enough native accuracy from your gear or gear + food to hit the caps you need for that content.

Since OP is doing Final Coil, go load up on that accuracy and have fun =p

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

On the topic of accuracy, I am of opinion that you only want to use accuracy if you are planning to do Final Coil. As it stands right now, in any other content, you should have enough native accuracy from your gear or gear + food to hit the caps you need for that content.

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According to this you need 432 acc to 100% hit in Turn 1.
So no, if you are not doing at least a little something for acc, you will be missing even in very old content.

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Originally Posted by Spoekes

According to this you need 432 acc to 100% hit in Turn 1.
So no, if you are not doing at least a little something for acc, you will be missing even in very old content.

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True, I will now amend my statement.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

On the topic of accuracy, I am of opinion that you only want to use accuracy if you are planning to DPS any Final turn of Coil. As it stands right now, in any other content, you should have enough native accuracy from your gear or gear + food to hit the caps you need for that content.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

True, I will now amend my statement.

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+ Levi, Ramuh, Shiva, Odin which all range between T5 and T9 requirement :-)

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Originally Posted by Spoekes

+ Levi, Ramuh, Shiva, Odin which all range between T5 and T9 requirement :-)

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That's funny, because even when I was using my 0 accuracy set, I'm pretty certain I have 100% accuracy on them @.@ No food either.

Edit, scratch that, I forgot, I also have an accuracy Thyrus >.>;

Okay, apparently I don't know squawk. lol.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

That's funny, because even when I was using my 0 accuracy set, I'm pretty certain I have 100% accuracy on them @.@ No food either.

Edit, scratch that, I forgot, I also have an accuracy Thyrus >.>;

Okay, apparently I don't know squawk. lol.

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Hey but you knew enough to make the good choice to meld acc on your weapons. cheers :)

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Originally Posted by Spoekes

Hey but you knew enough to make the good choice to meld acc on your weapons. cheers :)

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Funny enough, even though I have Thyrus Nexus with capped Accuracy, I hardly make use of it, lol. I main SCH for Coil and I've more or less changed from being WHM main to SCH main (even made a SCH Zodiac after having made WHM Nexus)

I think I've been in Shiva EX once as WHM, and I've been in Second Coil once as WHM (on T9 no less, lol). Feels like a waste almost, but at the same time I know it's best to be prepared for all contingencies too.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

Out of curiosity, doesn't that mean you need to carry three books?

(1) The Zodiac/Zeta you are main handing
(2) A Nexus that's 44 Crit/31 Det to copy a Crit/Det scroll
(3) A Novus that's 44 Crit/31 Acc to copy a Crit/Acc scroll

I know what you're aiming for, and I have thought of the same. Just making sure I understood the process right in case I wanted to run the gauntlet myself.

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No, I'm just carrying just one book and retainers hold the scrolls

Disclaimer: I'm not sure if this is an exploit or clever use of "working as intended". Not my place to judge, if this earns me a ban please have mercy.

1 - Aquire a blank scroll from Hubairtain using 3 Superior enchanted inks
2 - Copy current relic stats to scroll from Jalzahnn using (novus/nexus/zodiac/zeta) modification option
3 - Give scroll to Retainer A
4 - Repeat steps 1 & 2
5 - Modify scroll as desired e.g. I replaced all the det with acc (31 Alex and requisite materia)
6 - Apply new scroll to Relic

Congrats you now have two sets of stats for your relic, now whenever you want to switch between stats do the following

7 - Repeat steps 1 & 2
8 - Give scroll to Retainer B
9 - Retrieve scroll from Retainer A
10 - See step 6

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On the topic of accuracy, I am of opinion that you only want to use accuracy if you are planning to do Final Coil. As it stands right now, in any other content, you should have enough native accuracy from your gear or gear + food to hit the caps you need for that content.

Since OP is doing Final Coil, go load up on that accuracy and have fun =p

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But yes, missing less when dpsing as a healer in final coil is very nice. Can't go wrong with melding some Acc.

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Originally Posted by Aurelinaus

No, I'm just carrying just one book and retainers hold the scrolls

Disclaimer: I'm not sure if this is an exploit or clever use of "working as intended". Not my place to judge, if this earns me a ban please have mercy.

1 - Aquire a blank scroll from Hubairtain using 3 Superior enchanted inks
2 - Copy current relic stats to scroll from Jalzahnn using (novus/nexus/zodiac/zeta) modification option
3 - Give scroll to Retainer A
4 - Repeat steps 1 & 2
5 - Modify scroll as desired e.g. I replaced all the det with acc (31 Alex and requisite materia)
6 - Apply new scroll to Relic

Congrats you now have to sets of stats for your relic, now whenever you want to switch between stats do the following

7 - Repeat steps 1 & 2
8 - Give scroll to Retainer B
9 - Retrieve scroll from Retainer A
10 - See step 6

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...this is brilliant! lol. I honestly don't think it's ban worthy, and I don't think it's exploitative in the least, just clever use of the resources you have on hand.

I may need to try this now. Thank you for the information.

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Originally Posted by Spoekes

+ Levi, Ramuh, Shiva, Odin which all range between T5 and T9 requirement :-)

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I can confirm, I miss on Levi EX all the damn time.

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Originally Posted by Aurelinaus

I do both, 44crit/31det for general stuff and 44crit/31acc for coil and just switch back and forth between the two just costs 750 soldiery each swap of the stats

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My SCH relic is exactly the same as yours. I first made a 44 crit/31 det build, but my current relic is 44 crit/31 acc. I have a copy of both scrolls on my retainers. The stats on my Last Resort Zeta are 53 crit/48 acc or 53 crit/38 det.

Not getting lucky on the materia outcome of SB and not willing to spend any gil I will end up with this:

crit 31, acc 22, pie 22

cheers.

I dunno if piety is that useful anymore. When your group is overgeared your SCH doesn't heal much at all, and with the aetherflow MP regen and the ruin buffs SCH just doesn't need piety anymore. If you group is undergeared, well the SCH is DPS'ing anyway. If you want to go cheap I'd go Crit/Det/Acc. I would probably at least max Crit though. I have a strong feeling that SE will make classes have more distinct secondary stat preferences in the expansion.

If I was willing to spend any money on my second relic I would consider this.

I really got unlucky with SB, I did get 2 det materia binding A LOT of gear during hunt downtimes and I wouldn't value 22 det over 22 PIE.
Maybe I am a little biased for PIE, as I'm coming from WHM.

for crit, imo:
While it might give me a mini tiny slightly edge over the other stats, as it stands, like 15 more crit rating at the end will not change my gameplay using adloq, it will not guarantee it critting so you never rely on its crits anyway so I'm not spending money on it.