War - St vs Crt & Det??

Curious about my fully melded 110 wootz armor vs ilevel 130 upgraded fending body armor. Wootz has 24 St, 12 Det and 12 crit (among other stats). Just considering damage, is that better than the fending that has a huge str boost to 50 but no crit or det? Assuming I don't need the accuracy, which is better for DPS? In short is 50 St better than 24 st, 12 crit and 12 det?

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Originally Posted by mpd49

Curious about my fully melded 110 wootz armor vs ilevel 130 upgraded fending body armor. Wootz has 24 St, 12 Det and 12 crit (among other stats). Just considering damage, is that better than the fending that has a huge str boost to 50 but no crit or det? Assuming I don't need the accuracy, which is better for DPS? In short is 50 St better than 24 st, 12 crit and 12 det?

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Wootz fully melded is nice but for war you can get the WoD body and its better than wootz or full upgraded iron works

Considering 1 Det doesn't give nearly as much damage as 1 Str, and has nothing to do with block/parry strength (i.e. how much damage is mitigated per block or parry -- though it might be only block strength, am a bit too tired to remember correctly atm), I'd say 26 Str is a lot more than 12 det/12 crit.
Numbers I've seen say that around 3 det = 1 str. So those 12 det should be around equal to 4 str. Crit is less certain, especially depending on whether it's a Warrior or a Paladin and how you use Defiance (each Wrath stack grants bonus to crit rate), but around 4-5 crit = 1 str afaik. So those 12 crit equal around 2-3 str.

So to sum it up, your wootz armour has an approximate str value of 30-31. Plus less vitality -- more vitality from armour means more accessories you can switch out to dps accessories (or, if you go with crafted accessories, how many stat points you can respec from vit to str).

Ok thanks. Will check into that, I think I can even push it to the upgraded ilevel 130 now. So should be a no brainer.

I BELIEVE. 1 STR =~ .41 det, .39 crit

So, 26 STR would be the equivalent of about 65 crit/det combine assuming they are in equal quantities.

WoD body + augmented pants = best combo you'll manage outside of dread drops

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

WoD body + augmented pants = best combo you'll manage outside of dread drops

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Assuming you don't have an Accur problem if you take off your Ironworks chest for WoD. Dread Chest and Legs are likely BiS depending on your healers and what your max HP can drop down to.

Accuracy food solves most problems (which will only really occur in 12 and 13), it takes a lot of acc dumping on other pieces to need the 33 acc from augmented body. Augmented body also isn't your best option for acc as it comes with parry, so basically a wasted second secondary stat. If it's necessary for your build to have it, though, it's not necessarily a bad thing. Depending on what you're working with, it's possible you'll get more Det/Crit elsewhere that you can afford through that 33 acc.

I'd use a 130 over 110 no matter what the secondary stats are.

I can't find the thread, but there is a forum post stating calculated CRIT/DET weights for a warrior. IIRC both were worth about 0.2 of a STR point, with DET worth slightly higher.

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Originally Posted by mpd49

Curious about my fully melded 110 wootz armor vs ilevel 130 upgraded fending body armor. Wootz has 24 St, 12 Det and 12 crit (among other stats). Just considering damage, is that better than the fending that has a huge str boost to 50 but no crit or det? Assuming I don't need the accuracy, which is better for DPS? In short is 50 St better than 24 st, 12 crit and 12 det?

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HQ Wootz body has 39 STR, not 24. With the body and leg pieces, the 130 gear has to have total crap on secondary stats for pentamelded 110 to be worthwhile.

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Originally Posted by Ele_Pls

I can't find the thread, but there is a forum post stating calculated CRIT/DET weights for a warrior. IIRC both were worth about 0.2 of a STR point, with DET worth slightly higher.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4IdTQtICdo&t=636

tl;dw:

Det = 0.303
Crt = 0.216

Just remember that your primary stat will always be top priority.

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Originally Posted by DenebPunkin

Just remember that your primary stat will always be top priority.

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Except when you need more VIT to survive <insert unavoidable attack>, or when the trade off is an obscene amount of secondary stats for a small amount of primary.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4IdTQtICdo&t=636

tl;dw:

Det = 0.303
Crt = 0.216

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Huh. Det is worth more than I thought, then.

EDIT: NVM, I just have a poop memory.

the japanese site have the stats weight for war like this

WD: 8.732
STR: 1.000
DET: 0.325
Crit: 0.204
S S: 0.178

What does same jp site say about pld stat weights?

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Originally Posted by ELISASolee

What does same jp site say about pld stat weights?

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they got same stats as war

WD: 8.732
STR: 1.000
DET: 0.325
Crit: 0.204
S S: 0.178

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Originally Posted by Gildarts

they got same stats as war

WD: 8.732
STR: 1.000
DET: 0.325
Crit: 0.204
S S: 0.178

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Which doesn't make sense due to the potency of Sword oaths 2nd attack and it not being affected by SS, while WAR gets a solid DPS boost from 9hit zerk.

I'm sure that the 9 hit zerk metric isn't slotted in there, since its a threshold and not a static or graded diminishing return. I think that the calculation had SkSp worth more than STR if you had less than your 9 hit zerk when someone on here was modeling it in a ghetto rigged but factually accurate way, from what I understood.