Anyone can attack any mob?! seriously?

They are intending to implement this in patch 1.19.
Read on:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/286

This is a bad idea imo.. Tethering causing you to loose clam is going to cause issues. Some NMs in specific require you to take them to places that they may very well tether from. Like Mosshorn, You have to take him somewhere with your back to a wall and sometimes he tethers.

If Some other jerkarse LS decides to be jerkarses "which they will" then they can steal that claim from your LS, even if the mob is at 5%. Tethering will cause you to loose claim.

I hope they rethink this approach or something. Looks like all kinds of fail waiting to happen.. Don't they test this stuff before they use it? I mean come on..

I liked this. This will open a brand new way of battle here...like a FFXI besieged! ^^

You're correct regarding NMs tho. IMO only who got claim should be able to engage a NM and the claim should last a bit longer than common monsters incase you're knocked back outside NM territory. But i believe it will have a separated mechanic, just like they already do now.

You see...you can support players from other parties that are fighting common monsters, but you cannot help those fighting NMs. I believe this might stay the same...NMs will have their own claim mechanics to prevent abusing from parties that lost claim.

But the point that annoyed me is the PL potential...think about this...a dude claim a monster tthen a PL, from outside, go and one shot the monster. Mixed with the EXP chaining and link bonus i can see some tremendous exploit potential OTW.

I believe this was necessary for the planned defensive operation battles coming in 1.19 and beyond.

I'm not scared of what may happen, if it brings content similar to Campaign, I'm all for it.

So am i ^^ The non-endgame contents i liked the best in FFXI were besieged and campaign. Actually, i also liked them much more than endgame content too...so much once i was kicked from a dynamis LS because instead of farming (after boss was killed) i went to Al Zahbi to wait besieged =P Hopefully this will be the start of large-scale battle content! ^^

I also dislike the idea. Even if I get first hit in and therefore get the reward, I would be extremely annoyed if other people killed it and not me. Because then where's the challenge? Where's the fun in a battle if some douche comes along and slaughters your kill for you?

But what's the motivation for a douche to kill your mob?

Only players that are participating in levequests, or in behests, can engage enemies that are specific to those battles.

This should probably apply to open world NMs

duchebagery and your rage feeds the douche bags motivation

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Originally Posted by Solace

They are intending to implement this in patch 1.19.
Read on:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/286

This is a bad idea imo.. Tethering causing you to loose clam is going to cause issues. Some NMs in specific require you to take them to places that they may very well tether from. Like Mosshorn, You have to take him somewhere with your back to a wall and sometimes he tethers.

If Some other jerkarse LS decides to be jerkarses "which they will" then they can steal that claim from your LS, even if the mob is at 5%. Tethering will cause you to loose claim.

I hope they rethink this approach or something. Looks like all kinds of fail waiting to happen.. Don't they test this stuff before they use it? I mean come on..

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couldn't they just adjust how long the mobs stay claimed. it appears you are under the assumption that once implemented they will not be able to adjust anything.

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Originally Posted by Rubicon

But what's the motivation for a douche to kill your mob?

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Being a douche.. You haven't met enough of them in game yet? I have..
Douches don't need motivation, that's what makes them douches..
I'm also worried about emnity. The last time a system like this was in place it allowed people to build emnity on the mob then eventually steal it form u. If they can redirect the mobs hate, it will cause hell in NM. Causing the NM to flail n what not.

but then again lets say your struggleing and some one cames to your aid.. you end up 5% hp bar and not dead and SP gain.. works both ways people.

i would like to see a 3 headed dragon NM that requires separate targeting of the heads that will let 3 full party's work together. Each would take claim to a head so everyone would get rewarded. Or one party could claim all 3 heads and try to do it alone.

it doesn't have to be a dragon but you get the point.

look behind you a 3 headed monkey!

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Originally Posted by Yoohre_WildRiver

look behind you a 3 headed monkey!

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a 3 headed monkey could def work

you would need guybrush treepwood in your party to defeat such horrible beast!

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Originally Posted by Yoohre_WildRiver

you would need guybrush treepwood in your party to defeat such horrible beast!

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then have him we shall.

Honestly those who steal claims are just griefers and they get a kick out of that kind of thing. It will always make us mad that we did the effort and someone will come in and steal it from us. They need to make it "person who claims and does a certain percentage of hp damage" or such I'm not sure. Just not more of this "game can't be fun due to rmts" but instead "game can't be fun due to griefers"

btw there is lose and loose seen this a lot on the forums. You lose stuff, stuff becomes loose.

I am almost 100% sure that they confirmed that NMs and leves/behest mobs will only be attackable by the claiming party.

Plus I am sure they might add a /nohelp command so that if people do not want random people killing their claim because they want a challenge (it's fine but to be fair high levels doing that usualy just do so in passing so really? so what if you are not challenged for 1 fight).

You claim a mob from the start of a fight anyone who attacks it that isnt in your party cant steal claim but they can still help you kill it... Don't bitch when theres nothing to bitch about... (See WoW claim system)

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Originally Posted by zaviermhigo

Honestly those who steal claims are just griefers and they get a kick out of that kind of thing. It will always make us mad that we did the effort and someone will come in and steal it from us. They need to make it "person who claims and does a certain percentage of hp damage" or such I'm not sure. Just not more of this "game can't be fun due to rmts" but instead "game can't be fun due to griefers"

btw there is lose and loose seen this a lot on the forums. You lose stuff, stuff becomes loose.

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They tried that claiming system from the start in the beta. It pissed everyone off because no one could level outside of leves, because douchebags would swoop in and out damage you and steal your exp.

I can see where they're trying to go with this, but at the same time I can see a number of exploits, one being douchebags coming up on a hard mob or NM and TP feeding it until it thrashes about and kills everyone and goes unclaimed.

As far as helping people who could be near death, a cure works just as well without killing their mobs for them. And there's a high possiblity of a PL exploit with this, which gives the RMT armies you see everywhere an even easier way to EXP than just spamming leves.

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Originally Posted by Dakotacj

They tried that claiming system from the start in the beta. It pissed everyone off because no one could level outside of leves, because douchebags would swoop in and out damage you and steal your exp.

I can see where they're trying to go with this, but at the same time I can see a number of exploits, one being douchebags coming up on a hard mob or NM and TP feeding it until it thrashes about and kills everyone and goes unclaimed.

As far as helping people who could be near death, a cure works just as well without killing their mobs for them. And there's a high possiblity of a PL exploit with this, which gives the RMT armies you see everywhere an even easier way to EXP than just spamming leves.

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WoW hasnt had any trouble with this set up yet... and its been how many years? The point I'm trying to get across is "All you ppl bitching about things to come when you haven't even tried it out" It hasn't been added yet and i'm betting pulling a NM to thrash about and kill ppl wont be easy... They'll probably have despawn things in the way to deal with that... and as far as RMT using it to PL I'm gonna guess that when a high lvl runs up and kills your mob while its near 100% hp its just gonna nerf your EXP gain....

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Originally Posted by Sylvari

WoW hasnt had any trouble with this set up yet... and its been how many years? The point I'm trying to get across is "All you ppl bitching about things to come when you haven't even tried it out" It hasn't been added yet and i'm betting pulling a NM to thrash about and kill ppl wont be easy... They'll probably have despawn things in the way to deal with that... and as far as RMT using it to PL I'm gonna guess that when a high lvl runs up and kills your mob while its near 100% hp its just gonna nerf your EXP gain....

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Nerfing EXP gain. Another way douchebags will be able to piss you off. There are far more bad things to come of this system than good. Also this game isn't WoW. There are generally different players with different mindsets from most WoW players. A lot of these players have come from FFXI, which is where most of the viewpoints on this system come from. What we're saying is, this system can, and probably will be abused and GMs won't be able to do squat about it because it's part of game mechanics.

people say "why would anyone do this on NMs that repop really quickly?"

Why would any one buy gil in this game when it is so easy to make?


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In my opinion, tethering is the big issue as far as battle is concerned. While it certainly saves the unwary player from unwanted aggro, it makes actually fighting a mob a hassle (unless you're exploiting the tether to take on a mob you probably shouldn't).

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Originally Posted by Sylvari

You claim a mob from the start of a fight anyone who attacks it that isnt in your party cant steal claim but they can still help you kill it... Don't bitch when theres nothing to bitch about... (See WoW claim system)

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Shut your pie hole moron.. Go around telling people not to bitch don't expect a courteous reply.. ^^
Obviously you have no idea about this game, the claim system, how Nms work, or just about anything else, other than dumb animated pictures in your sig, that are annoying as hell.
Next time you want to comment, how about you say something other than "don't bitch". You know like something not so lame and 12 year oldish..

I don't want or need anyone help on any mobs.. My fights, my claims, my kills, by my skill. I don't want, require, or desire help.. Is this FF with training wheels now? Its lame..

The only people ok with this are people already trying to figure out a way to abuse the system with PLs and other lame gameplay..

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Originally Posted by Solace

I don't want or need anyone help on any mobs.. My fights, my claims, my kills, by my skill. I don't want, require, or desire help.. Is this FF with training wheels now? Its lame..

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Just cause you think your the best and can do anything with out other ppls help doesn't mean squat... like it or Not this system will help alot of ppl avoid death and any ways to abuse the system that are there is for SE to fix.. And personally i did like the FFXI claim system a lot better then WoW.. but losing all exp and items when you "Call for help" isnt that fun.. I'd much rather having nerfed exp then none at all...

Also i happen to like my sig.. if you dont tough luck :P