Which version of Triple Triad do you prefer?

FF8 Triple Triad or FF14 Triple Triad?

I'm not sure yet. I like that there are more rules in the new version but ti doesn't seem as risky as the old version. You could lose your good cards in that one. Perhaps I just haven't played enough yet.

I really like that they kept the same music but I was expecting a new special effects or something to be honest. Almost feels like a copy-paste job.

Off-topic question: How do you make a poll on this forum? I can't find the option.

Can't you just load a save in the original game if you lose a good card? If so, that's like...zero risk :p

As for my preference...I definitely like the new version a lot because you can actually play against other people. Also, some NPCs can be pretty tricky so they've definitely retained some of the challenge of the original. We still have the tournaments to look forward to, so I can't wait to see how that plays out. :)

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Originally Posted by DefendPopPunk

Can't you just load a save in the original game if you lose a good card? If so, that's like...zero risk :p

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Precisely this, an MMO doesn't have this luxury, hence why we don't lose cards.

I generally like the FFXIV version, but it does need a few changes...

1. Get rid of Random... Seriously, it completely destroys our decks, while our opponent's deck is almost unchanged. And since we ARE FORCED TO collect a ton of 1 star cards, we end up with a bunch of 1 stars in our "random" deck, while the opponent keeps 4 out of 5 of their cards.

2. Either greatly ease up the deck limitations, or redo almost half the NPC's decks to make this not so utterly onesided.

Seriously, once you have a strong 4 star card, all other 4 star cards are all but useless. Once you have a 5 star, all 4 stars are useless.
Why? Because we cannot use more than 1 4+, EVER!
Similarly, I am at 22 cards atm, with Godbert and Bahamut. I have most of the 1 star cards, and am working on 2 star to I can actually use them. However I am repeatedly running into NPCs who supposedly give 2 star cards, who's decks are completely loaded with 3 and 4 stars...

So I am supposed to grind, using my 4 1 star cards, against a deck which is 2 4's and 3 3's? Or better yet, Piralnaut... has 1 3, the rest are 4's and sometimes a 5 creeps in. Piralnaut drops Succubus, a 2 star. Someone who drops a 2 star has a deck which has a similar point total as King, Rowena, or Hab, who drop 5 stars... WTF?

So why am I playing against such a ridiculously strong npc? Because I am trying to get my 30 cards, but I seem to be stuck at 22... I can farm instances for maybe 3 of em, and hope I get Behemoth from the Bronze packs... but that still puts me at 26 out of 30. Still a ways to go.

Oh god I hate Random so much, it's so stacked in the NPC's favor.

Which version do I like more? Well, I like both. If I didn't like the original I wouldn't play this one.

Also, can we add a, pardon my French here, "Fuck it I quit" button?

Random, Chaos... sometimes RNG blatantly screws you, and you know within 2 moves that you lost.
IE your "random" hand doesnt even have a 2 star in it.
Or on Chaos your first move was your single strongest card... good luck flipping anything now buddy.

I went to play that zombie NPC in Sangoli desert. He kicked my ass with Odin, Godbert, Raubaun, Hildebrand and a few other 4 or 5 star cards. I never looked back.

To be fair, that guy drops the Hildy card, which is one of the stronger 5 stars. So he is allowed to be tough.
My problem is that npc's who drop 2 stars are playing with decks that have 1-2 2 stars, 2-3 3 stars, and 1 4 star.
Lets see, between 1 and 2 stars, there are 37 cards.
Some of them, like Frixio from Marcette, or Succubus from Piralnaut, are nigh unobtainable, because those 2 NPC's have decks that could overpower King's WITHOUT the Plus rule. These are 2 star cards, but to get them you have to beat decks that are almost as strong as Hab's???
Or the Indolent Imperial, same thing, straight 3 stars, drops a 2 star card.

Is "logical tuning" THAT unreasonable?
Is it unreasonable to say that IF something drops a 2 star card, its' deck should basically be split into 1 3 star, 2-3 2 star, and 1-2 1 star?
Similarly, would it be asking too much to let us unlock 2 star cards once we have 20 cards instead of 30? There are 20 1 star cards, doesnt it make sense that once you have "all of them" that you can unlock 2 star?
Or does SE really believe that playing for hours against the same NPC with a 5% win rate, due to your deck restrictions and the NPC having a MUCH stronger deck, all in the hopes of getting that 1 card THAT YOU ONLY NEED TO RAISE A COUNTER TO 30!!! is fun?

Another example, Ourdillic in Coerthas.
Shiva - 4 star
Ultima Weapon - 4 star
Urianger - 3 star
Behemoth - 3 star
Biggs/Wedge -2 star

He drops Blue Dragon, a 2 star card.
He has 1 2 star card in his deck.
In fact, aside from us having a 5 star card, his deck is stronger, in having 2 4 stars, than our decks CAN EVER BE.

So note, Hab... His deck is jacked as all hell. But he drops a very strong 5 star card. So this is reasonable.
Ourdillic... His deck is stronger than our decks are allowed to be by the game. He drops a mediocre 2 star card.

Anyone else see a problem here?

FF14 is quite fun to play but the only issue I have is that NPCs can build their own decks to defy the rare card limit we players are limited by so most of the time we face off against NPCs with full deck of rare cards.

Neither - I've always preferred FFIX's Tetra Master to Triple Triad (no surprises I actually had a subscription to the online version that was bundled with FFXI, and probably was one of the few people who actually shed a tear when SE shut it down).

Triple Triad's main failing is the stupid rules (especially 'Random'), and how you had to play it in FFVIII to really get anywhere (by using the 'Card Mod' GF ability to change cards into items - it was the only way to gain certain medicines which were almost a necessity to survive in certain encounters).

At least TM wasn't burdened with such nonsense.

I've never played Triple Triad except in this one, but I seem to have trouble getting the plus rule to work sometimes. Every time I think I've got it all stacked up right, I don't seem to get it. It's odd.

I like both versions, the original version is more challenging (AIs are much smarter iirc) and has a wider variety of card and its uses. I don't know how many cards in total are there in FF14 compare to the original however.
For FF14 version, you can play and relax without having to worry about losing cards whatsoever (although original lets you reset game if you lost them unintended) but one thing about this version is I find it's a little bit unfair when challenging NPCs because we are only allowed to use only one 2/3/4/5 star cards in our deck (even in random) while they get to use all their OP cards, you can't beat them easily unless they have Swap/reverse/plus rules with them or that they dumb out by placing a card but never flipped any of yours where you can take advantage.

Triple triad is awesome but some rules should be changed!
Chaos regional rules when playing 1v1 is terrible!. i can't choose which card i'm going to use in my next move (maybe this is doing to limit player boosting with external macro).

I defeated 30 NPCs and i got my Squall ***** card (1 6 A A), (achievement "triple team II") and i can't use it while using another 2 * or 5* (bahamut card) in my deck!! This is pointless. i can't even use 2 ** stars in same deck!!
I know that maybe this is done to prevent lucky ppl that got good cards in few hours to become "super player" that defeat npcs and start build their deck faster, but this is a bad rule!!!!

Now i have 27 cards and each time i buy a silver/bronze card from GS i get a card that i already own!!! That is wasting my MGP considering that i can sell them back for only 5-10 MGP.

There should also be a "trade" or "sell on market" options to get money from other ppl.

#disappointed!

Haven't played a whole lot yet but I'm totally digging this. Also, found this legendary card!

http://puu.sh/gbTve.png

I wouldn't mind the random rule as much... but only if the NPC's actually had decks which consisted of more than just rare cards!

NPC's don't play by the same rules we do. They have fewer than 30 cards and yet can use as many rares as they please, but this also means that the 'random' rule forces you to use 1-star weaklings versus their 3-star and higher behemoths. There's very little variation between the cards they use each match, so the random rule only adversely affects the player rather than the opponent.

This is something which needs some major tweaking in my opinion. At the very least I'd like them to play by the same rules as everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Snootles

Haven't played a whole lot yet but I'm totally digging this. Also, found this legendary card!

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It'd be a great card... until you play that one guy who uses Fallen Ace ;)

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

It'd be a great card... until you play that one guy who uses Fallen Ace ;)

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Chuck will find a way :P

Quit being dicks square. If I have random so should the NPC. EOS

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Originally Posted by DarkChild

FF8 Triple Triad or FF14 Triple Triad?

I'm not sure yet. I like that there are more rules in the new version but ti doesn't seem as risky as the old version. You could lose your good cards in that one. Perhaps I just haven't played enough yet.

I really like that they kept the same music but I was expecting a new special effects or something to be honest. Almost feels like a copy-paste job.

Off-topic question: How do you make a poll on this forum? I can't find the option.

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You could lose it, but also win it back. Since it was singleplayer and you could save, this was no big problem from the start, of course.

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Originally Posted by Snootles

Haven't played a whole lot yet but I'm totally digging this. Also, found this legendary card!

http://puu.sh/gbTve.png

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I would play fallen ace against that. ;3 - Maybe make it S S S S. Or R R R R for "Roundhousekick"! ô_ô

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I defeated 30 NPCs and i got my Squall ***** card (1 6 A A), (achievement "triple team II") and i can't use it while using another 2 * or 5* (bahamut card) in my deck!! This is pointless. i can't even use 2 ** stars in same deck!!

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This will change, when you have 30 cards (then as many ** cards as you like) and 60 (as many *** cards as you like). Yes, it's a bit strange and it's a lot harder to break this 60 cards wall, but I think it is part of their long term goal/challenge, to reach this. Try to enjoy it (okay, the RNG with card drops can suck pretty bad), but when you have reached these 60 cards, a lot of the fun will be gone, as it is.

An important point of FF8 was, that the cards got a use. You could transform them. Sure, you can sell them here, but the MGP you get for them are a joke.

One other solution other than adding cards to NPCs is that you should pick your 10 cards that Random can select from, so you can at least stand a chance. Random does suck, but it is there to be challenging. I have beat all NPCs, but those Random users are the hardest, then Chaos, which would also ruin any planning you had going.

So much whining for something that isn't hard at all.

I beat rowena multiple times with 1 star deck and got louisoix card after a while
I beat Landenel multiple times with a 3 star deck and got both Titan and Odin (rather quickly)

But Swift and his stupid Chaos rule oh god. Every time I need my 5 star card right away, its the one card that either doesn't come up (when going second) or comes last when its too late.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

At least TM wasn't burdened with such nonsense.

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Nonsense?! TT and Card Mod were the only reason FFVIII was even playable to me (besides the amazing score)! But to each his own, I guess. :D

I would actually like if they allowed duplicate cards to be desynthesized (like Card Mod) so that you didn't have to just sell them back to the NPC to 1/10,000 of their original MGP price.

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Originally Posted by Kalandros

So much whining for something that isn't hard at all.

I beat rowena multiple times with 1 star deck and got louisoix card after a while
I beat Landenel multiple times with a 3 star deck and got both Titan and Odin (rather quickly)

But Swift and his stupid Chaos rule oh god. Every time I need my 5 star card right away, its the one card that either doesn't come up (when going second) or comes last when its too late.

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You must have been stupid lucky. I got Louisoix but it took a good 2-3 hours of playing. Landenel I still haven't got a card to drop. Titan or Odin. I have 60 cards. You can't play with a 1*/3* deck against either, they are random decks.

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Originally Posted by Kenji1134

1. Get rid of Random... Seriously, it completely destroys our decks, while our opponent's deck is almost unchanged. And since we ARE FORCED TO collect a ton of 1 star cards, we end up with a bunch of 1 stars in our "random" deck, while the opponent keeps 4 out of 5 of their cards.

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Agreed 100% But instead of getting rid of it, make it fair. The NPC has like 8 cards to "random" from. I have 60. Srsly?

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Originally Posted by Kenji1134

Similarly, I am at 22 cards atm, with Godbert and Bahamut.

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Get mohr cards son! Keep in mind that it's the journey and not the destination that counts. Also, keep in mind that Yoshi said they will release more cards down the road. Getting 60 now is tough with only 80 total but once they start pumping out more it will be easier.

I like XIV better. Losing cards pissed me right the F off in VIII. Once I accidentally saved and lost my best card. I was pissed.

I like each near equally but FF8 takes it. The fact that FF8 lets you lose your cards just makes it more intense. FF14 is too forgiving, but because you can't collect two of the same card, and the difficulty of obtaining some of them, they can't deliver the same punishment/reward as FF8 without a horrible imbalance. I mean you could reload in FF8 but that depends on the kind of gamer you are.

They need a TT scenario that's more intense and pressure-filled than what we alrady have. Settling disputes over loot would be a bad idea. Maybe some matchmaking system that remotely pits you against random player-controlled gamblers of the same tier (30 card, 60 card etc) for a gil wager.

If there's no real fear of loss, it's difficult to feel anything for the game. Not that grinding through NPCs and switching your brain off for a bit can't be relaxing. But it needs that spark.

Maybe it would be nice if spare card drops could be refined into something else based on their quality. Like craft materials and consumables a la FF8 style. Maybe even materia.

do we really need to have cards be farmed for materials? Yoshi stated that triple triad was to be for casual play while waiting on duties and since you don't risk anything when playing cards, I see little reason to add risk for the sake of it. To have cards converted into materials would mean yet another thing for people to grind for and it might make gathering materials in this method render other material collecting methods obsolete. Remember how people stopped playing dungeons and the coil when the hunts were new due to how easy it was to get the materials needed to strengthen your gear? Don't want to see that happen again.


If you really wanted a "betting" system when playing against others in a game of cards, you can easily use the PF to set up the rules for it.

Ahhh losing a card game in FF8 and losing that Seifer card, "well I can win it back, lets keep playing".....crap, now you lost your Quistis card too...you're about to soft reset, when it suddenly hits you "crap, my last save was 5 hours ago!!!!!"......ahhh good memories...

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

do we really need to have cards be farmed for materials?

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I should have mentioned that crafting would also be toward new novelties/cosmetics. Separate from my desire to have something worth feeling pressure over.

Cards for materials that leads to glamour? Hm...well, I guess that could work but I still feel quite iffy. It's bad enough that you have to grind cards to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

At least TM wasn't burdened with such nonsense.

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No, instead TM was burdened with a dice roll randomness that left you never knowing if your side 10 would beat the side 2.

I'll take the reliable game, thanks ^_^