Summons as a 2hour ability for all classes.

What about not making a summoner class at all...instead do the avatar battles and "unlock" that avatar and give an ability called "summon" to all the classes. once you activate that command you get a list of all the avatars you defeated and can summon one....setting off a 2hour or however long cool down timer.

What happens when you summon the avatar can be traditional summoning when they come out...do their thing....then leave.

Just an idea~

I dont think i would like that very much. lol i would prefer actual 2 hours that corresponds to each class

And I dont want 2hrs back Im not good at "waiting" for a strong Ability! :P

I sure do miss pet classes

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No thanks anyways seeing how this is a causal game it going to be 1hour lol

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I sure do miss pet classes

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I do want a pet class though.. I do agree with that.. just no 2hrs 1 hour Okay.. I guess ;P

2hr 1hr 30mins...whatever.....just be nice to have some ubber move with a long CD....and thought it be nice to use the summons...

Just dont want them to mess up smn like they did in ffxi...a class that for the most part...wasn't used correctly. MANY were just large mp pools to supply weak cure spells.

I'd rather have them just make summoners. The class appeals so much to me that I would feel mad about being only able to use it once in a long period of time.

I do agree that they should be made more fun for XIV than they were for XI.

I've felt like the "powerful" move that you're looking for could be a limit break. I don't think a 2 hour, or even a 1 hour cooldown is necessary for it, but they could be fun.

HELL NO

SMN yes please

No, simply because if they do this they will need to revamp every large boss fight they include to account for everyone using their summon on it.

We'll eventually have a summoner type class. The beauty of the armory system means that if you want to use it, you'll be able to.

Unless of course they're class-specific abilities which they more than likely would be. Also I'm still very skeptical on the idea of summoning at all in FFXIV, especially as a pet class. The Primals certainly won't cooperate with us if Ifrit is any indication and you know there would be a riot if the summons weren't only the traditional FF summons.

Also didn't they say a while back (more than a few months) that they were considering doing something LIKE 2-hour abilities but not 2-hour cooldowns?

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just be nice to have some ubber move with a long CD....

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So we all have to wait for that cooldown whenever we enter a dungeon - no, thanks.

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No thanks anyways seeing how this is a causal game it going to be 1hour lol

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lol gotta agree with this. "Why aren't they called 20 minutes? I have a very busy life yet insist on playing and getting every item!"

yes i like summoning but lets say they have to but aions or any thing else
and every class can just get some of them that are similar to the class ..

ifret is good for CON while bahumot is good for GLD

I say we need summoner job, none of this primal 2hr/time nonsense....
The beauty of it is how the job system will not give us cure :) not more cure3 spam for smn.

If a 2 hour type ability were added it might be cool if you could only use it once or twice while under guardians favor.

two words: Grey Mage

since they reworking br's completley i'd like to see them use summoners as part of the dmg combo's. doing right combo's will pop out a summoner to inflict a some dmg and disapear. maybe chains of diff smn moves as u land them can make summoner pop for more powerful moves, and diff summoners for diff chains as well.

also can see this beeing a big quest line for everyone to collect each smn to be able to link in chains or something as well.

as for op's idea i like this one too, better then smn class. sry i thought smn class in ffxi was a mistake. smn's are one of the best thing in offline games. everyone should be able to summon them in some form rather then chosing 1 class to do them all. just my opinion. though i do want to see pet classes, and with my idea above maybe can create a class that can solo control all br's and make them pop, sorta like samari meets summoner class. sounds pretty cool right? lol. :)

sorry i want smn class

If they did Summoner I think it would work more in an Evoker way. The issue they have mentioned is that the avatars play such a role that it wouldn't really make much sense for players to actually control them. If you've gone far enough in the story you may be aware of the clear difference as to how Ifrit is in XIV compared to XI.

With that said if Evoker's were implemented I imagine them working in the same manner as the abilities kobold's have atm

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Category:Kobold

Titan's Anger, Titan's Boon and Titan's Soul. Basically Evoker would be able to tap into the essence of an avatar to perform abilities rather then calling the entire avatar itself and controlling it.

Perhaps later on past the 50 cap history will change in which players can create pacts with avatars but for now I imagine that if we were to get any form of a summoner class it would work more in relation to FF III.

As good of an idea as that is, you know people aren't going to be happy until everyone is running around with Ifrit on a leash.

No, I need summoner as a class/job

It's kind of like Pokemon.

Balancing would be an issue like Dreamer said, they'd have to assume everyone one in the group will use their summons so either their dmg will be made worthless or the bosses impossible or close to without using them.

I really don't like this idea personaly, I love summoners and I hope they can be a playable job in this game as well.

I kept meaning to post an idea I had that was basically this just a little more fleshed out.

Everyone could get a summon through a long quest or primal battle. The summon would entitle the holder to the use of a big spell or buff that is on a longish cooldown something like 10-20 min. The wrinkle to this would be similar to what someone mentioned above. You would be able to choose from a list of abilities the summon has. Each summon could come with a set of say 3 abilities that would play well to certain classes. How do you make this so it's not overused? The CD of all current party members' summon will have their CD reset upon use. So it would be something that you could only use once every 10-20 min.

People saying they'd rather have a summoner class altogether. I agree with that completely. I think you could have a system like this in place where to open up the summoner class to use you have to attain 1 primal. What would make summoners special is their access to the summons similar to how pet classes work in other MMOs. Each ability that your non summoner has is stronger when used by the summoner and each summon could come with summoner specific abilities that only that class can use.

Just to give a specific example lets say Bahamut is a primal that you can acquire. Your normal adventurer class acquires him and decides to set his ability they use as Mega Flare. Summoner's acquire Bahamut and gain access to Gigaflare which would be a more buffed up version with a nice spell effect similar to how summons have worked in prior FFs.

Summons have always been one of my favorite parts of the final fantasy games and I would love to see something like this appear in FFXIV.

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I kept meaning to post an idea I had that was basically this just a little more fleshed out.

Everyone could get a summon through a long quest or primal battle. The summon would entitle the holder to the use of a big spell or buff that is on a longish cooldown something like 10-20 min. The wrinkle to this would be similar to what someone mentioned above. You would be able to choose from a list of abilities the summon has. Each summon could come with a set of say 3 abilities that would play well to certain classes. How do you make this so it's not overused? The CD of all current party members' summon will have their CD reset upon use. So it would be something that you could only use once every 10-20 min.

People saying they'd rather have a summoner class altogether. I agree with that completely. I think you could have a system like this in place where to open up the summoner class to use you have to attain 1 primal. What would make summoners special is their access to the summons similar to how pet classes work in other MMOs. Each ability that your non summoner has is stronger when used by the summoner and each summon could come with summoner specific abilities that only that class can use.

Just to give a specific example lets say Bahamut is a primal that you can acquire. Your normal adventurer class acquires him and decides to set his ability they use as Mega Flare. Summoner's acquire Bahamut and gain access to Gigaflare which would be a more buffed up version with a nice spell effect similar to how summons have worked in prior FFs.

Summons have always been one of my favorite parts of the final fantasy games and I would love to see something like this appear in FFXIV.

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Players could have a "summon" type ability based on their current job+diety (the one you choose at the beginning), and summoners could have the classic primals/avatars. I could compromise like that, but I would not like it if everyone could summon avatars.