Roulettes need better rewards

There is a critical shortage of assistance in lower level dungeons and trials right now.

Simply put, people are capping their poetics entirely via the Expert roulette (for the Alexandrite quest) and then spamming WoD runs because they're after a specific piece of gear for a specific job and the drop rates are so very sad. (I've yet to see the bard body. I ran WoD eight times last week just for bard legs...)

This means that we're losing the expertise of the higher levels, leaving the newer barely 50 folks to fend for themselves. Queue times have exploded for all jobs for specific lower level dungeons, even tanks and healers.

I rolled into Trials Roulette last night because I'd hit iLvl 120 bard and I wanted to take it for a spin. I ended up with a group of people literally half my ilvl who were in there for the very first time.

I'm glad I was there to explain a few nuances they couldn't get from the guides (nail kill order, where to stand to avoid people running from plumes, etc) but I should not have been the only veteran in a Duty Finder run.

Proposal: Give a different type of reward for High Level and Trials roulettes once you've capped poetics for the week. Alexandrite, allied seals, or maybe even bump up the poetics cap for these roulettes only. Or add in some unique bonus for roulettes.

It's unsustainable as it is, and it's only going to get worse until the weekly gear lockout on WoD is removed.

TL;DR players are skipping trials roulette and high level dungeon roulette because they don't need the poetics bonus.

I agree on the roulette thing,but no matter how many rewards you giving other then those and you might create an unbalance...in my opinion. The only one that could make sense are hunt seals.....available only once you have capped the poetics for the week.

Good luck though

Mei

The low level roulette should at least give 75 Poetics as the adventurer-in-need bonus, otherwise people who can run EX-Roulette (which is the vast majority of the level 50 population) wouldn't even consider it; the high level roulette would also need a comparable treatment. The current Poetic bonus is a complete joke. I haven't unlocked the high level and the expert roulette yet and I just spam AK(HM) to cap my Poetics. It's usually faster than the average low level roulette yet rewards 40 Poetics. Add WoD and helping out FC mates to the fray, and there's absolutely no reason to do the low level roulette on a Lv50 job.

The point is not in attracting more people to do the roulette; the point should be attracting the needed roles to do the roulette. A brain surgeon isn't gonna help any when you need fire-fighters. It would make the experience worse to attract literally every single level 50 player back to the low level roulette.

I've been doing daily roulettes for a few weeks now. In my experience, as a healer..

Low level roulette usually goes fairly quick. Main scenario roulette often takes 15+ minutes, even shortly after reset on weekends. High roulette, I queue with a DPS and we usually get instant, or at most, 5 minute wait.

I don't have trial roulette unlocked, but trying to queue for the trials we still need often leads to 30 minute or longer waits at primer playing times - if we're in the off hours, we won't even get a single DPS joining.

High I think is fine, but main scenario/trial could use some more incentives..

I've been low level roulette as a Rogue/Ninja a lot recently and the waits have been in the 20-30 minute range. Honestly, that doesn't strike me as that bad.

In the case of high level roulette and low level roulette. Imo I think no one does it because of level sync. Alot of players want their job and skills up to lv50 for low levels. With the recent ilvl sync for most of the high lvl players dont get the full effect of their gear. I think thats why alot players dont do it as Well

But by allowing the latter causes some balance issues as well lol

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Originally Posted by Zfz

The low level roulette should at least give 75 Poetics as the adventurer-in-need bonus, otherwise people who can run EX-Roulette (which is the vast majority of the level 50 population) wouldn't even consider it; the high level roulette would also need a comparable treatment.

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This would mean that tanks (let's not kid ourselves here, tanks get the adventurer in need bonus the most) would need to run half as many EX roulettes as non-tanks, which would dilute the pool of tanks and make the wait times on the weekend even worse.
Let's say you have a tank, healer, and DPS who want to cap poetics. The roulette itself gives 45(?) and the dungeon gives 40.
With your system, if everyone runs once a day every day until they cap, with EX roulette being the only thing they actually do for poe, a tank would only need to run 3-4 days whereas a DPS would need to run each and every day of the week, with healers possibly capping out on the fifth or sixth day if they get lucky.
So no, adding more poetics to the adventurer in need bonus wouldn't help anything. There's a REASON it's gil and/or GC seals.

OP, this is a major prolbem but I feel it won't change anytime soon. Unless the rewards are So great that they over-step The Hunts. Now if the rewards were one-of kind gear then you might been able to change the playstyes of some players.

ps: Some players (like me) feel speed running is killing the Q's for Ex/Hm Roulettes.

IMO the best way to do it would actually be to add Allied Seals to the mix. That way people don't have to hunt to get them which will alleviate some of the hunt whining that's been going on. You can get 40 allied seals per day just by doing the daily stuff, and 100 for the week. If Low roulette gave you say... 50? and maybe 10 for adventurer in need more people might queue up. I don't know how much you get for an S as I don't do them and when I do I never get groups T_________T

It would help if they let you run the Dungeon portion of the Zodiac Quests on any Job. I wouldn't mind running 4000 dungeons on my Paladin if I could get credit for my Spharai. Lower Que times? <Yes, please>

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Originally Posted by Reinfeld

It would help if they let you run the Dungeon portion of the Zodiac Quests on any Job. I wouldn't mind running 4000 dungeons on my Paladin if I could get credit for my Spharai. Lower Que times? <Yes, please>

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Uh... They DO. I obtained 16/16 of the dungeon drops I needed for my Excalibur/Aegis as SMN, building up lights for my Veil of Wiyu Nexus. Now that I have Excalibur/Aegis, I'm running them AGAIN as PLD to take advantage of low queue times to get drops for my SMN. I even got Aurum Vale's drop while leveling my NIN - not even a level 50 job at the time!

You can get Zodiac dungeon drops on any job, as long as you have the quest open and on the correct stage of the quest.

This ultimately is the same issue as always; no one wants to be a tank. Rewards won't matter, people just want to dps and take the easy way through the dungeons

I think they should add a RNG percentage increase on EX pony as a new player bonus to encourage veterans to bring a learner along.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

This ultimately is the same issue as always; no one wants to be a tank. Rewards won't matter, people just want to dps and take the easy way through the dungeons

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Would help if SE gave tank achievements for roulette too instead of just EX/Coil.

There's plenty of ways for to cap poetics/soldiery: hunts, CoD, FL, etc.

The adventurer in need bonus just really isn't worth it for most tanks. 15,000gil for a ~30m run with strangers? No thanks.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

This ultimately is the same issue as always; no one wants to be a tank. Rewards won't matter, people just want to dps and take the easy way through the dungeons

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There is some truth to this, but I don't think it's entirely accurate. I usually do dungeons as tank, but I don't really need to do anything other than expert to cap poetics, I also do trial since it's usually pretty quick, but all the others I rarely queue for. Since all the roulette rewards are just tomes I have no incentive to do anything beyond expert, however if there was some reward I was interested in I would most definitely start doing the other roulettes more often.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

This ultimately is the same issue as always; no one wants to be a tank. Rewards won't matter, people just want to dps and take the easy way through the dungeons

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Almost right, I dont mind healing Ex and Hm Dfs. I do mind crazy speed running Tanks who don't use CDs and cant tank , trying to get shorter Q times. This is how I ended up healing Ex/Hm for FC members. I never Tank (War item lv 111) because no one ever follows my kill order and wont listen to me. So no Tank for You.

New relic step tomorrow right?
Standby for something similar to zodiac, but requiring all of the dungeons that zodiac didn't.
Low level D's suddenly filled with speed running D's :p
1 problem solved, new one created :(

It's not just that no one wants to tank - I actually do enjoy tanking on my WAR. It's just that they like playing DPS more. I feel like I'm constantly in a DPS arms race with every other DPS, so I give all my resources to my DPS classes. That meant running WoD eight times last week hoping for bard drops. Whereas a tank in WoD has no competition from his fellow players, can complete out the WoD set first, and then start going as a DPS too.

We did Chrysalis last night as 7 parts FC with the hopes of picking up a DPS in duty finder. It still took us 6-7 minutes. Not that long ago, 7 people in a trial just needing a DPS would have been filled up the second someone queued.

I don't bother with low level roulette because low level dungeons are such a slog. The only one that can be done in a reasonable timeframe is Haukke manor.

I usually have poetics capped on Thursday and that's even when I work 8:30-5:30 on Tuesday and Wednesday. Running WoD for gear, CT and ST for the weekly, Trials Roulette because I enjoy it, and maybe an EX roulette or two. I just keep running after I cap because I can always use soldiery for something.

Low level is not worth it for high level players when we already have ex and high roulette.
AlsoI have my zodiac relic and i'm at the point where soldiery is useless to me so EX and trials are the only ones I do these days for poetic caps.

Eh, people will cap poetic anyways just by running expert roulette few days a week for alex maps combined with some runs of CT series/coil anyways - adding more poetic is hardly an incentive to be running other roulettes.

Soldiery is a joke once you get all your weathered pieces you need. As it still requires sand/oil to upgrade to i110 while crafted i110 gear offers better stats through melding and also easy to obtain i120 gear from WoD. The price of the soldiery crafting mats are worth so little now, that it is hardly worth the slot that it takes on MB. Only thing that is really left is for the people that still need alex maps - I still have 50 extra alexandrites after melding 3 novus scrolls.

They should think about adding allied seals as a reward for low level roulette. I think that would be more enticing than what they currently reward.

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Originally Posted by SummonerSenah

They should think about adding allied seals as a reward for low level roulette. I think that would be more enticing than what they currently reward.

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Yeah, even if its as small as 30 seals people would do it

Allied Seals are definitely the answer, but I think SE enjoys the open world blood bath.

People are tired of these dungeons, and people start to drop off playing a few weeks before a new patch, all compounding the issue. Adding an incentive may work, but for some of us, the incentive will have to be huge. I for one, dislike being stuck in these dungeons for 20minutes + with the tank pulling every living thing, and whilst I can tank myself, it's insanely boring at lower levels. They'd be better off offering players 2 queue types, the normal as they are now with 100% of the xp, or a fast dungeon with full level 50's but the XP is cut 50% and bosses drop no items.

I'd love them to give a reason to do the lvl 50 dungeons that nobody does anymore like Brayflox HM, Lost City of Amdapor or Tam Tara HM... They are good dungeons but if there's no incentive... I have better things to do lol.

This is like beating a dead horse, it's a big major problem, and huge lack of incentives. A year and a half later, even after duty roulette, the problem still exits and it will be getting worse. There will be short term relief with the expansion, you should be able to have more tanks and healer for below lvl 60w, but I doubt it will last more than 3-6 months long, then it will become a huge problem again.

The trial roulette seems really fast queue to me.