Dodging telegraphed abilities in PF?

I've been queueing heavily for Expert Dungeons recently, and the past three I've done, I've gotten the same remarks from DPS.

"Tank stop moving. Makes DRG's job harder."

They said I could just eat the telegraphed abilities. I kind of agree in dungeons, but not in raids. I think it makes the healers job just a little easier, and I never really move the position/angle of the enemies when I'm dodging, I think the DRG(s) are just throwing a fit.

What do you guys think? Do you guys dodge the telegraphed abilities when in dungeons? I mean, clearly we can all survive them, but it can make the healers job easier when you dodge. However, the position oriented DPS might get shaken up a bit.

Well, there are three situations or so where this could be happening.

1. The enemy is alone and channeling the telegraphed attack.
2. The enemy is channeling the telegraphed attack and there is one other enemy in the group.
3. Same as 2, but there are 2 or more additional enemies in the group.

In Case 1, the enemy will not turn while telegraphing something. Dodge with great abandon.

In Case 2, the other enemy may turn, but your survival comes first. Try to minimize enemy movement if you can.

In Case 3, the positional DPS should be using AOE anyway, which doesn't require a position. Dodge with great abandon.

Conclusion: Be a dodging fool.

When I can't stun, I always dodge. No one has complained to me yet about it and I take care to watch the positioning of other enemies as well.

Stun when you can and dodge when you can't, the DPS wouldn't really be too happy with a dead tank either (not that that's likely to happen).

One thing I really hate about these new expert dungeons is the extreme amount of dodging required. As I sometimes say.. Either healers are gonna be mad, or the Melee dps. I try to minimize movement and eating ae's as best I can.. But most of the time, someone will be mad. They may not say it.. But they're thinking it.

Even if the damage is trivial you should always dodge as its good habit practise, melee should also get used to dance with tanks.

Always dodge, move as little as possible to do so.

dodge and dodge some more. why would you eat the attack if its easily dodged, .?

anyways when you do a big pull do they expect you to eat all the aoe's as well as the auto attacks.??

melee dps missing a little dps is secondary to staying alive. plus anyway as melee dps you should be use to having to move for postionals and evasion on nearly every pull... its part of being close to the enemies.

Depends. i usually dodge. If the whm is holy spamming I definitely dodge (and keep two cooldowns up).

If the healer is only healing and just standing there not doing anything 50% of the time I make it a point to eat AOE. If she's gonna be lazy, so am I.

Dodge and move back into position during the attack animation. The mob doesn't spin and you don't take damage.

keep dodging, the moment you die from something red, they will ask why you didn't dodge.

Got it! I thought the dps was being a little nuts anyways. Thanks guys!

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Originally Posted by Jamillion

Dodge and move back into position during the attack animation. The mob doesn't spin and you don't take damage.

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this is what i typically aim for

some of these hits though do so little damage it really isnt worth moving, like granite rain on the second dragon in keeper, especially considering its knockback seems basically non existent if you just stand in the center and eat it compared to getting caught with the edge and flung half the platform away

You have to dodge the telegraphs, as they hurt quite a bit making the healer's job more stressful, when you have 1-3 mobs you can dodge, and move back in before the mob moves to attack you. If you are mass pulling dodging the telegraphs become harder, but please if you are pulling groups of about 10 or more (like hatali HM etc) don't be moving unnecessarily, you are making the melee's job (aoe already sucks) more difficult than it needs to be (use HG and if you are a warrior use vengeance and just try not to move too much). I recently had this happen in Hatali HM with a paladin tank, and he was running around like a chicken with its head cut off; I was on my monk and wasted PB and couldn't even get a rockbreaker off (already positioning sucks for this skill and you can only spam it every 3 min). Suffice it to say the tank quickly died.

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Originally Posted by Jamillion

Dodge and move back into position during the attack animation. The mob doesn't spin and you don't take damage.

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This is my favorite answer. You should try to keep the direction of the mob(s) as consistent as possible. Not doing so in certain cases, especially with bosses, can result in getting your other party members cleaved.

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Originally Posted by Zophar

This is my favorite answer. You should try to keep the direction of the mob(s) as consistent as possible. Not doing so in certain cases, especially with bosses, can result in getting your other party members cleaved.

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Yep. When fighting a group of mobs running in a circle around them will usually group them up ( casters excluded) then step back and bam. Their all stacked and facing you. For frontal conals that are telegraphed runnin thru them and back as soon as the cone dissappears will solve the movement issue

To me tanking is about taking the damage the others can't. Every punch you take is one they don't have to.

That being said, if they weren't gonna take the punch anyways, move.

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Originally Posted by Jamillion

Dodge and move back into position during the attack animation. The mob doesn't spin and you don't take damage.

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This guy gets it. Any single mobs, they should never really move cuz you can be back in position. Mass pulls really the only thing that can even kill a tank. Dodge dodge dodge.

Drg of all jobs should get over it. They can dps from the front and not see any appreciable difference in their dps.

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Originally Posted by Izsha

Any single mobs, they should never really move cuz you can be back in position. Mass pulls really the only thing that can even kill a tank. Dodge dodge dodge.

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This sums it up and the combination of Jamillion. The only time I see mobs moving is in group pulls and I want to live.

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Originally Posted by Jamillion

Dodge and move back into position during the attack animation. The mob doesn't spin and you don't take damage.

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This is also a useful tactic for playing bullet hell shooters.

Also, what bad DPS do I need to whack for using singletarget positionals in a group pull?

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Originally Posted by Izsha

Drg of all jobs should get over it. They can dps from the front and not see any appreciable difference in their dps.

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310 potency per rotation is a noticable loss in DPS. The additional 400-600 potency per GCD you are losing by not doom spiking a large group pull is much more noticable, though.

Dodge, A dragoon or Monk should be able to keep buffs up even with you moving. The "buff" to dragoon make this easier, you dont always have to be at the side to get the buff up. Its just not has strong.

Next time just proceed to eat all the AoE and die. Multiple times if necessary. Blame the DRG for not killing them fast enough.

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Originally Posted by Brightsayge

keep dodging, the moment you die from something red, they will ask why you didn't dodge.

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^ this

Sounds like you've drawn short straws with silly DPS.

Always a 'goon.

One way to minimize movement while dodging is to get as close as possible to the enemy, and when the telegraph comes out, go THROUGH the enemy and you'll be behind him dodging the aoe, then you can go back to your original position again.

This only works for a cone or column aoe though. For a 360 aoe, either stun or run away. But then go back to your original position again WHILE the animation is going for the aoe. The attacks only target you when you are in the telegraph, and when it disappears, not after.

When the dps attacks the same target you attack, the mob does not move. As soon as the telegraphed animation disappears, you move back to your original position. The actual attack comes out but won't hit you.

When there ate two mobs, it requires some practice to get them in position. Keep in mind they will always do their attack after X seconds after you pull.

When there are more mobs, just try to cluster them. A good melee will find a way to max DPS and they should know they don't shine when it comes to AoE.

I think you dodge too much or you didn't move back to the original position. But either way. If that guy is throwing a fit now, he obviously issint a pre buffed drg player LOL