I never wrote down names, but after finishing Leatherworker quests, i noticed a young conjurer in the crowd. Like the CNJ guildmaster, he had horns but normal skin, unlike the scaley protrusions of the new Au Ra. Anyone have any insight to this other horned race?
The other Horned race?
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02-18-2015, 07:24 PMEydaosThe other Horned race?
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02-18-2015, 07:33 PMAnonymooseThose are the Padjal. They're Hyur who are chosen by the Elementals to be their mediators with the Gridanians. They're usually chosen as children, whereby they grow horns and stop visibly aging (they don't seem to be biologically immortal). A few families are known for producing them more often than others, such as the Senna family - the three Senna children currently lead Gridania, with Kan-E-Senna in the highest position and also leading the Order of the Twin Adder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eydaos
If you look at the winged elementals, they have the same little horns.
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02-19-2015, 05:02 PMLainmystWhere did you get that awesome screen shot, is that from one of the White Mage quests?Quote:
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02-19-2015, 05:10 PMAnonymooseI just grabbed the first thing that caught my eye on Google Images, but it's from the collections of The Adventure League of Eorzea (T.A.L.E.), whose name I often come across when digging for screenshots and archives that aren't my own. I believe it's from a 1.0 levequest that featured elemental enemies. Chessirin has a good eye for screenshots, lol.Quote:
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02-19-2015, 06:25 PMCherub
Wasn't E-Sumi-Yan the actual leader of Gridania but Kan-E-Senna took over JUST BECAUSE she looks older. IIRC they feared that they wouldn't be taken seriously because of their looks and decided to let Kan-E-Senna do the work because she does look the oldest and mature.
I'm wondering how influental my beloved cutie E-Sume-Yan is to gridania and it's politics. The other Padjal I've always seen more as "the not so important chosen ones" watching over the forest with little influence to gridanias politics or to how its lead. It's also really sad that we don't get to see much of the Padjals. Especially O-App-Pesi (?) like HOLLLLLYYY I've seen him in two quests in all my time in XIV, least 's all I remember of him. -
02-19-2015, 06:57 PMmyahele
As far as I know Kan E has always been a prodigy amongst Padjals/ Seed Seers.
At a young age she prohepecized that a drought/ locust infestationwill occure, thus preventing famine. Afterwards she we taken into the CNJ where she passed with flying colors at a young age. I think she bacame a regular seed seer afterwards and lived out in the woods to communicate with the Elemental.
She came back to become the elder seed seer. In 1.0 it was O app essi that was the guild leader and it was actually e sumi yan that was his mentor. O app esi sucked at the job, so e sumi took over in 2.0.
As far as I know, Kan E Senna became the leader due to her skills and not because e sumi looked to young.
As for E Sumi's influence? He's the leader of the CNJ guild so I'm pretty sure he's got some say on some matters, like who amongst the students have potential to be seed seers/hearers. Who to assign at which military branch, etc -
02-19-2015, 07:16 PMAnonymoose
I always struggle to remember how the Padjal fit into things. I remember that O-App-Pesi is E-Sumi-Yan's brightest pupil, but that he's often off in the wood on his own. E-Sumi-Yan is the master of the Conjurer's Guild, if I remember correctly, because the Senna siblings are the current Seedseer Concil that lead Gridania.
Every organization within Gridania is assigned a conjurer overseer, and all of this is filtered back through E-Sumi-Yan to the Seedseer Council, so Brother E-Sumi is an extremely important member of Gridanian society, but I don't recall him ever actually being it's official leader, mainly just its de facto one, considering that the Seedseers live in and for the wood, rarely coming to the city itself. Kan-E returned permanently to be protected from the Empire and raise the morale of the people.
Likewise, I don't recall anything about Kan-E's appearance playing into her position. She is the eldest, anyway, afterall. Now, I don't doubt for a second that she was designed to be slightly older so that we would take her more seriously, but as an actual lore concern, I don't recall it coming up.
Like I said, though... my padjal lore is perpetually rusty. At best. -
02-19-2015, 08:02 PMFJeromeI seem to remember that at the Lore Panel at the Vegas Fanfest Fern said that Kan-E makes a deliberate attempt to look more "adult" so that foreigner leaders would take her more seriously.Quote:
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02-19-2015, 08:16 PMDeifactThe upside down cow necklace does it for meQuote:
Originally Posted by FJerome
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02-19-2015, 08:51 PMBelhi
It would be somewhat of a disadvantage being in a child like body while trying to get people to respect your age and wisdom. To be honest, I imagine it would be pretty frustrating have the age stop early anyway.
I'm curious if Padjal do ever show any signs of ageing. The reason I say this is It struck me the A-Towa-Cant had silvery hair that, at least to me, gave him a more aged appearance even if his face was childlike. I'm also curious why more of the Padjal aren't trained in White Magic as it seems to be an important Job in the maintenance of their relationship with the forest. -
02-19-2015, 08:57 PMDoctaruRavenbeI seem to remember this too. Something about illusion magic/glamour to appear older?Quote:
Originally Posted by FJerome
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02-20-2015, 12:55 AMTerriniBoth E-sumi-yan and O-app-pesi have white/pale hair as well. Only the Sennas do not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Belhi
Also I am not sure but I believe all Padjal pass along the art of White Magic to new Padjal, whether they are proficient or not. O-App-pesi seems non-inclined to magic at all and E-sumi-yan is head of the conjurers guild and I am sure he knows white magic only he is in such a prevalent position he would not be able to freely teach it. He teaches the diluted version of Conjury already. -
02-20-2015, 01:01 AMlololinkI think he said that it's some kind of mirage prism white magic, but I'm not sure.Quote:
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02-20-2015, 04:03 AMmyahele
Actually, O App Pesi has dark brown/ black hair.
Also, I had no idea Kan E is using a glamour to look look a bit older. I guess it make sense since's she's the oldest looking padjal we've seen. That and no one has ever seen a Padjal outside of Gridania, so I kinda makes sense (from a political standpoint) that she doesn't want Gridanians appearing "weak" to foreigners since they are ruled by horned children.
I guess only a select few of Padjals can become WHM and it seems like only the 3 Senna siblings are the only WHM's (excluding the PC). I wonder why? Maybe the Elementals (and other padjals) didn't like A Towa Cant leaving Gridania and traveling? -
02-20-2015, 04:22 AMKaiser-Ace
Remember when it comes to White Magic that with the exception of a small few (That being some Pajal and the PC) that White Magic as a whole is a forbidden art as it was one of the leading factors to the 6th Calamity aka the great flood. Black Magic is considered a Forbidden Dark Art in Ul'dah for the same reason, because Black Magic was partially responsible for the 6th Umbral Era. As for The Scholar, remember that there were no Survivors of Nym. The Few that did became Tonberrys after The Tonberry plague infected the entire civilization.
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02-20-2015, 08:23 AMNariaI don't recall Ferne saying she was using magic, just that she was presenting herself to look older. Kan-E has always looked very young to me, around 13ish. She is about a head shorter than my Miqote not counting her horns. Her clothing/hairstyle, manner and speech patterns, however, are much more mature and are therefore giving her the impression of being older.Quote:
Originally Posted by lololink
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02-21-2015, 02:53 AMNiwashiWell, it's E-Sumi-Yan who makes the decision that our character needs to be trained as a White Mage. I don't quite remember all the details of that quest, but I thought it brought up E-Sumi being a White Mage himself.Quote:
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02-21-2015, 03:09 AMGrayveYes, it was just makeup, clothing, and hairstyle changes, he said. No magic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Naria
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02-21-2015, 03:26 AMVelox
All Padjal are trained in White Magic. They are the only ones the elementals allow to be (well, besides the player character), so it's a very important part of their culture. White Magic is an extension of Conjury, but in its most advanced form. It's too powerful to be wielded by just anyone, so the Elementals restrict who can learn it in order to keep some balance and prevent another Umbral Era. Without White Mages teaching the art of conjuring, Conjurers wouldn't exist. It's more or less a system of "Hey, we're going to allow some of you full VIP access to everything, but in return you must pass on a LIMITED knowledge of what you know."
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02-21-2015, 04:35 AMmyahele
Yeah, but that kinda makes the WHM quest even more ridiculous. It's probably due to plot and it has been a while, but it's pretty silly that they had to do this important ritual to quell the anger of the Great One and only 3 WHM can do it. Kan E couldn't do it since shes lol busy. Not sure about the O App Pesi and E Sumi's reasons.
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02-21-2015, 07:06 AMFencedudeThough you have to keep in mind that this is a universe where Lalafell exist and are taken seriously.Quote:
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02-21-2015, 07:59 AMNiwashiAnd one of Gridania's neighboring countries is ruled by one. I somehow can't picture Ul'dahns disparaging Gridania for the childlike appearance of Padjals. Maybe she's just trying to impress the Lominsans.Quote:
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02-21-2015, 08:29 AMTerrini
Lalafell are different than Padjal though in that Padjal are Neotenous Hyur, and this is not the norm like it is with Lalafell.