Showing TP for Party?

Quick Q: Any word on this?
Make the TP bar a different colour if you need to...
but this is very annoying for us Bards and Ninja's...I mean I tell them to ask
if they need it or try and see if I can tell if they need it but still...
Surprise this is still a thing...another QoL fix please. :c

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Originally Posted by Felis

Already on work

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Thank you very much for the response Felis!
And Ikr Ryu? Let's hope in 3.0 or so.

From what I heard, it's something that they've encountered problems with for PS3, so they're not going to do it unless it can work for all users. It's silly I know, you'd think they'd just replace the MP bars with the TP bars for most classes/jobs when they're in the party, especially considering only the casters, PLD, and BRD really use MP.

Already on work

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

As there may be more actions that directly affect the TP of other players introduced in the future, the dev. team would like to work on adding in a display for party member TP. However, there is a limit to the number of items that can be displayed on the screen at the same time, so we have considered swapping the MP bar to instead show the TP bar.

In doing so, we would then be required to introduce a feature that will allow players to switch the display between TP and MP smoothly, even during battle. We would appreciate your patience while the development team continues to research if and how to efficiently display TP bars for all party members. We’ll be sure to share any updates we have on this in the future.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Already on work

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Tbh you don't really need to look at another players Mp unless your a Bard.

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Originally Posted by Mugiawara

Quick Q: Any word on this?
Make the TP bar a different colour if you need to...
but this is very annoying for us Bards and Ninja's...I mean I tell them to ask
if they need it or try and see if I can tell if they need it but still...
Surprise this is still a thing...another QoL fix please. :c


Thank you very much for the response Felis!
And Ikr Ryu? Let's hope in 3.0 or so.

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Devs says the TP bar will confuse the new players lol.

There's obviously an empty slot next to MP bar where the TP bar is suppose to be, make HP bar green (like your regular display), MP bar pink (like your regular display), and TP bar yellow (like your regular display). But you know, them noobs, can't interpret colors and data display.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

From what I heard, it's something that they've encountered problems with for PS3, so they're not going to do it unless it can work for all users. It's silly I know, you'd think they'd just replace the MP bars with the TP bars for most classes/jobs when they're in the party, especially considering only the casters, PLD, and BRD really use MP.

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Or how about showing the resource of their class instead. Healer/Caster show MP, Tank/Physical DPS show TP?

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Originally Posted by thunderbreak

Devs says the TP bar will confuse the new players lol.

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I get really sick and tired of responses like this. I really do. They said this before on multiple occasions.
Please stop treating us all like kids. Most of us have a job, family and kids. I think we're smart of enough
to understand what the hell colours are suppose to mean in a game. Jesus Christ.
Newbies will eventually learn this game...I mean it's pretty much "Kiddies first game anyways"
Dumbing it down anymore than it is I will feel like they think we're fetus's.

PS3 limitations.

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Originally Posted by thunderbreak

Or how about showing the resource of their class instead. Healer/Caster show MP, Tank/Physical DPS show TP?

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Because some Jobs/classes use both. That'd be the reason I'd guess, even though there's only one resource, aside from HP, that you need to see for any given Job. For example: Warriors and Paladins use MP occasionally, the only resource you need to see is the one they're going to need regenerated often (TP and HP). Even though you can use Sprint (TP cost) on a caster, you only ever need to know their MP and HP.

I totally think what you're suggesting is what they should do, by the way. I just could understand why they wouldn't want to (they want all meters accessible just in case anyone needs the info).

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Originally Posted by thunderbreak

Devs says the TP bar will confuse the new players lol.

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However, there is a limit to the number of items that can be displayed on the screen at the same time

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Nothing about new players.

It is about PS3 limitation and/or screen size limitation

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Originally Posted by thunderbreak

Devs says the TP bar will confuse the new players lol.

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Where did they say that? I have never seen such a response. The only response I have seen is the one saying how they can only display so many HUD elements at once, which is true, they already have to remove 2 elements when you focus target on PS3. Granted, this is a PS3 only problem, but they cannot add this to the other platforms because of the gameplay advantage associated with it.

Supposedly PS3 limitations. Yet we have that useless bar above the group that tells us which stat is being buffed depending on who is in the group. And we get additional new UI things, like now the mob markers also show up on the enmity list. And a good number of little other things that have shown up since release. And, yet, we can't show TP? How are you able to add all these other UI additions to PS3 players?

This reminds me of their claim of running out of database storage or something, on why our armoire is limited. That is why more things are on the Salvage vendor. Ok, but, there STILL needs to be a check to see if your character sees specific items for purchase, JUST LIKE there is a check to see which items are in your armoire.

Doesn't completely make sense to me how we have no room for one thing but it seems like we have the exact same room for something else. For both the UI and storage options.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Nothing about new players.

It is about PS3 limitation and/or screen size limitation

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Originally Posted by Sove92

Where did they say that? I have never seen such a response. The only response I have seen is the one saying how they can only display so many HUD elements at once, which is true, they already have to remove 2 elements when you focus target on PS3. Granted, this is a PS3 only problem, but they cannot add this to the other platforms because of the gameplay advantage associated with it.

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http://youtu.be/4M27MEETG4Y?t=9m8s

They can try making it where you can toggle between seeing other players Mp or Tp in the Character Configuration menu and the default being Mp.

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Originally Posted by thunderbreak

Or how about showing the resource of their class instead. Healer/Caster show MP, Tank/Physical DPS show TP?

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Bards and Paladins use both. While it's not strictly necessary to see a paladin's MP (or TP for that matter...they don't run out as fast as other classes) seeing a bard's TP and MP can be rather important:
1) Seeing the MP in a case with multiple bards or a ninja can cue the other player as to when to use their song. If the bard is out of MP, they ain't singing.
2) The reason for being able to see their TP should be obvious.

As a paladin, it's probably more important to show my MP and not my TP. PLD TP is extremely easy to manage, as the only two situations that will run a PLD dry is: (1) party dps so low that you're falling asleep and the combo runs you dry; (2) having to keep stunning all the time. I can always just sit and do nothing once I have enough enmity and the TP recovers quickly. MP is not so. Without songs PLDs simply can't keep up mass pulling for long.

They don't want to players to see other party members TP bar. That's the reason. Simple as that. I think it's silly but what am I going to do? The PS3 has nothing to do with it. The party list works and looks exactly the same on the PS3.

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Originally Posted by Sove92

Where did they say that? I have never seen such a response. The only response I have seen is the one saying how they can only display so many HUD elements at once, which is true, they already have to remove 2 elements when you focus target on PS3. Granted, this is a PS3 only problem, but they cannot add this to the other platforms because of the gameplay advantage associated with it.

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Originally Posted by thunderbreak

http://youtu.be/4M27MEETG4Y?t=9m8s

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They say that they are concerned that it would confuse new players, that they are considering it but the complexity of the UI also has to be taken into consideration.

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Originally Posted by Bigcat9715

Tbh you don't really need to look at another players Mp unless your a Bard.

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As 2nd healer especially if you on dps mode also very important to be able to drop stance and release the other healer (unless its a pug that burns MP either way).

But yes especially nins that use Goad need this option as often they use it on the "wrong" person and 30s after someone asks for it :o

Then put it as optional. if the playstation can only have x number of items on the screen, then let them choose what they see. Most can live without the minimap, cast timer, or the self HP/MP/TP bar (just use the party version) or etc.

i think its time that the playstation limitations stop limiting what PC players can see.

Anyone wanting to play on a playstation, or lacks the ability to get better hardware should accept the limitations by their choice. Those who invested in the hardware to play a game should not be limited to the cheapest denominator.

If your going to have 2 jobs that restore TP, they should be able to know when to and who needs it without a pt member screaming for it.

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Originally Posted by Laraul

They don't want to players to see other party members TP bar. That's the reason. Simple as that. I think it's silly but what am I going to do? The PS3 has nothing to do with it. The party list works and looks exactly the same on the PS3.

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Except they've actually state that they want to, but are saddled with UI limitations as the reason they can't.

Why not just put a bar under the MP bar? Is that really difficult?

Instead of adding more items to the UI why not program it around the class on what does/doesn't display.

For instance, as a Ninja I couldn't care less about how much MP you have, it's completely out of my hands, there's nothing I can do about it. So why not just program the class so that someones TP bar shows up instead of their MP bar. Same with other classes that can help manage TP/MP. Or is that too much of a pipe dream?

If party TP information is already sent to each client, then the only reason to not display the information is design laziness. This was the case in FFXI where it took a third party application to take advantage of the information already available to each client and display it in a custom UI.

If they are concerned about creating a confusing UI, then provide the option to leave it like it is now or to turn on TP display. Default would be like it is now so no worry upsetting the tender sensibilities of new players.

If the TP information is not arleady available to the client, this would be a bigger design issue.

So, they don't want to confuse new players, then they confuse new BRD / NIN players on exactly when they can use their TP recovery skills. Ok....

If they can't fit all three, I wish they'd let us select any two rather than just alternate the second between MP sometimes and TP other times. Healers need to see everyone's HP, but when I'm playing as a Bard, I'm more interested in seeing both MP and TP, so I know what to sing. I can't do much about other players' HP anyway, so would rather drop that one than one of the other two.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

If they can't fit all three, I wish they'd let us select any two rather than just alternate the second between MP sometimes and TP other times. Healers need to see everyone's HP, but when I'm playing as a Bard, I'm more interested in seeing both MP and TP, so I know what to sing. I can't do much about other players' HP anyway, so would rather drop that one than one of the other two.

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I mean, it is possible. See Spoiler.
It's in a spoiler cause I forgot to remove the names. Can't do it now, Sorry!

http://puu.sh/dWm7h/416c461fd3.jpg
Oh, Please note this image was not to compare DPS, but to show what TP bars looked like for my friends. Don't assume. This was a learning party, anyways.

Unfortunately, this is apart of ACT, and we all know how many people say "oh, that's cheating/harassment/etc.".

Nonetheless, I really hope they implement TP Bars. It's SUPER USEFUL AS A BARD/NINJA. Seriously.

I'd imagine that this is something that will be addressed right after we get addons enabled.

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Originally Posted by kyuven

Except they've actually state that they want to, but are saddled with UI limitations as the reason they can't.

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Did you see the video posted above? http://youtu.be/4M27MEETG4Y?t=9m8s ? They say nothing of the sort.