Okay, so today I queued for Snowcloak and the tank wanted us to kick him cause we did have a BLM and refused to do anything until we did to so he could avoid the 30min penalty. However right after being kick he queue for same dungeon and got our group yet again and refused to do anything until kicked still...
Is the kicking system broken? It shouldn't allow someone who your group kick to reenter the same group.
Please SE make it so that a kicked player can not reenter the group they were kick from or make it so that getting kick adds the 30min queuing penalty so that the kick system is not abused in this way.
Problem with the kicking system
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02-12-2015, 10:09 AMMichizaneProblem with the kicking system
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02-12-2015, 10:40 AMCadwgan
Problem here isn't with the system, it's with the player you kicked. Report them for harassment and refuse to boot them, inform them if they want a certain job setup they can use the party finder instead of wasting other people's time, they gave up every right to be disappointed with the party the moment they clicked "join queue".
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02-12-2015, 11:48 AMSakuraluna
I'd definitely have reported that tank for harassment. It doesn't matter how many times he rejoins or even if he's kicked at all, but you and the other party members deserved the right to be able to run that dungeon without having your time wasted. Especially with knowing how long dps queue times can be, I'd consider that as a lot of time wasted due to a tank throwing a tantrum over a party setup.
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02-12-2015, 12:49 PMVanilleFang
You could have kicked him and waited a while before looking for a new tank, so to lower your chances of getting him again. The other solution would have been to refuse to kick him and let him let him eat the penalty for leaving.
But what exactly was is reasoning for wanting to be kicked? You say it was because you had a BLM, or do you mean because you didn't have a BLM? I've seen tanks complain about a lack of BLMs, but never about having one. -
02-12-2015, 09:36 PMMXMoondoggie
You could have tried reporting but i have found the GM's can't do much unless you know what server they are from and have chat logs so you probably want to do some prep and research first. I've found a lot of trollish or just plain difficult Tanks come from Sargatanas i don't really know why that is. Is that supposed to be some sort of hardcore server where just being on it people think they are better than they are? It's been like 95% of cases where i had a diva for a Tank they came from that server.
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02-13-2015, 01:12 AMMalevicton
Personally I like it how it is. I can get people to votekick me so I can change jobs after someone ragequits.
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02-13-2015, 02:36 AMViduIf someone left (aka you havent got a full party anymore) you can just leave wthout eating a penalty - so no need to votekick. So if the system would be changed in a way that a player who got votekicked cant join that group again that wouldnt apply - so, yes, please change the system that way... the group got rid of someone for a reason (hopefully a decent and good one, but it wouldnt be a pleasant run anyways if someone comes back into agroup that just kicked him...)Quote:
Originally Posted by Malevicton
So asking for a votekick seems never suitable to me - and if someones asking me to votekick I simply tell him "no" - either he wants to play, than he might go on or he dont want to - than he might eat the penalty. Reporting such guys is the best you can do (specially in this case... whining about the dps-setup...) -
02-13-2015, 03:56 AMZophar
I just plain don't get the behavior. Without a blm it'll take, what, an extra 3-5 mins to finish the dungeon? Versus how much time he probably wasted waiting to get kicked and requeuing and repeating? Me and my friends have run across this behavior a couple times. Our solution is always to just refuse and make it time inefficient for them and eventually they begrudgingly do the run.
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02-20-2015, 08:20 AMMichizane
This happened again today, we had to kick the same tank until we ran out of kick votes and were forced to vote abandon. GMs can't do anything about it cause the player doesn't get to choose which group they get put into. Seriously, there needs to be a penalty if you get kicked so you can't reenter a dungeon and get the same group...
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02-20-2015, 06:55 PMViduI hope you've tried though? Because I would consider that harassment - no one should be that stupid by himself. He certainly dont have to join in progress, thats not even the standard setting! And as tank he'll get instaqueues anyways so no need to speed them up by behaving like that. So unless he dont know about that and cant make the simple conclusion "Oh, wait I'm getting the same group again, I might wait a little before trying to join that dungeon in progress again and stop waisting everyones time" himself thats harrasment - and I would report him for this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michizane
Also... I would refuse to kick him the next time. Even if that means that you'll have to spend the whole time in that dungeon without doing anything. Might just ignore the tank and try to push forwards (might be some fun aswell!) - but doing as he demands isnt a solution. As you can see: his behavior is only getting worse... hes getting what he wants (more or less) so why not carry on with that? -
02-20-2015, 07:05 PMRayneBoemir
I wouldn't have kicked them; I'll tell them to eat the damn penalty like I do when I find something unsavory enough to make me leave a group.
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02-20-2015, 10:39 PMWerhuskyLike this: why waste a 6 hour cooldown action (or was it 4?) I have to get rid of the real harassing people on an idiot that refuses to do his job? Just start and pull Snowcloak isnt that hard... I he afks -> report straight away / If he joins you get your dungeon done / If he leaves its ok he eats penalty.Quote:
Originally Posted by RayneBoemir
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02-21-2015, 12:31 AMRiepah
A tank once intentionally tried to screw our group over in Amdapor Keep recently, refusing to do anything other than jumping and running around and trying to taunt us. Since it's an old, outgeared dungeon, we proceeded up to the final boss with just the 3 of us, ignoring the tank who was still just running around, saying they'll either get a free clear or a quick instant queue if we kick them. So we didn't kick them, because people who act like jerks for no reason don't deserve to get what they want.
We decided to sit around an hour before the final boss. So did the tank. Since he was still refusing to help us, we kicked him at 10 minutes left on the duty and killed the last boss on our own.
Rather than just running the dungeon normally with us, or even accepting a 30 min penalty, they insisted on being a jerk for 20 minutes and then wait another 60 minutes, doing nothing. That person really astounded me - being a jerk when you get an advantage through it is bad enough, but why be a jerk when it's only hurting yourself? -
02-21-2015, 03:39 AMBLaCKnBLu3B3RRY
yep. system is flawed. if someone gets kicked, they are kicked for a reason. this person shouldn't be allowed to re-enter that same exact instance. defeats the entire purpose of having that person kicked in the first place. zero logic.
@Riepah, if you can clear the instance without a certain player and don't want that player back. and also don't need another player... you can always kick them have the party leader NOT re-open the instance for matchmaking. they can't get back in unless the party leader clicks to find more players. however, in a 24man each party leader has master control over this for the entire instance. -
02-25-2015, 03:27 AMpoint09micronThe point wasn't that they could do the dungeon without him. They were intentionally punishing him by wasting his time, in response to his trolling behavior.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY