[serious suggestion]Remove the ability to queue for frontline in a party, or...

title:[serious suggestion]Remove the ability to queue for frontline in a party, or give new instances of frontline ONLY available to those in remade parties.

currently within the game in both slaughter and salvage remade parties, and alliances are causing the matches to tip into a unfair area

to summarise the last couple of matches i have done have had the following trend
Adders:150
flames:2
storm:3

or
adders: 8
flames:150
storm:10
the premeds from gilgamesh have caused a major imballance in skill when compared to pugs, a friend created an alt and found they even use voice communication though programs like mumble and teamspeak to co-ordanate there movements better, this grants them a major unfair advantage to the 2 alliances of pugs

what i suggest is simple, grant a new instance of frontline salvage and slaughter to ONLY take remade parties, or alliances.
and the old ones only being capeable of being queued for BY A SINGLE player.

because currently SE your letting the PVP become dead though this means of unbalanced queues.

please. fix this.

Anyone who reads this just please just completely ignore this thread because its utterly exaggerated its not even funny. This is the worst idea ever. End of story and hopefully the end of this thread. NOT TO MENTION there is already a thread at the top of the list discussing premades not being able to que into pugs... why is there a second thread about this.... just ignore it please.

The hilarious thing is these topics are only coming out now lol. Premades have always existed. Maybe the real issue you should be concerned about is Slaughter. Fear not. There are plenty of threads on that too.

no what they should do is set up their own voice chat, so pugs can use voice chat during pvp. im on ps4 and pvping without communication sucks i dont like to type

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Originally Posted by Atreus

The hilarious thing is these topics are only coming out now lol. Premades have always existed. Maybe the real issue you should be concerned about is Slaughter. Fear not. There are plenty of threads on that too.

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Well if 3man wolves den premades do not count for that back in days. There was tons of complaints from 3man wolves den premades.

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Originally Posted by Sunako

Well if 3man wolves den premades do not count for that back in days. There was tons of complaints from 3man wolves den premades.

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Nah I wasn't referring to that chapter, but good point (though even then SE didn't stop it outright, just reduced the reward and incentive for it). I had from the beginning of Secure Frontline to now in mind.

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Originally Posted by DividedSky

Anyone who reads this just please just completely ignore this thread because its utterly exaggerated its not even funny. This is the worst idea ever. End of story and hopefully the end of this thread. NOT TO MENTION there is already a thread at the top of the list discussing premades not being able to que into pugs... why is there a second thread about this.... just ignore it please.

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sadly not exaggerated, during the top example adders just bombed and lb'd everyone, to the point where most of the other alliances just gave up (around 78 for adders)
for the flames people knew about the premade and just left letting them have the automatic victory,

also please explain how having a frontlines only for remade parties and a frontlines for pure pugging is a bad idea, look at wolves den that was done due to the premades, in them how is this any different. what i suggest is as follows

Frontlines (salvage) (a fully random pugged match no premeds or party's allowed)
Frontlines (salvage) 8-man party queues (remade parties allowed but will be paired with 2 other premeds to form an alliance)
Frontlines (salvage) premade aliance queues (no explanation needed 3 remade alliances go in one comes out)
frontlines (slaughter)
frontlines (Slaughter) 8-man party queue
frontlines (slaughter) premade aliance queue

I say no to this because queue times are gonna skyrocket.

There's literally another thread not even 2 posts below this one currently talking about this...

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...nto-pugs/page3

both sides have been pretty well covered, no need to make a new thread here

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Originally Posted by Blubbers

There's literally another thread not even 2 posts below this one currently talking about this...

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...nto-pugs/page3

both sides have been pretty well covered, no need to make a new thread here

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yea gonna have to agree i didn't see the other thread because i was annoyed from the constant losses i was having against gilgimesh premades all day

if a GM sees this please lock this thread or merge it with the one listed in blubbers comment.

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Originally Posted by DracotheDragon

yea gonna have to agree i didn't see the other thread because i was annoyed from the constant losses i was having against gilgimesh premades all day

if a GM sees this please lock this thread or merge it with the one listed in blubbers comment.

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Np it happens

Why is it so hard for people to accept losing? It's pvp, it comes with the territory, suck it up or stop playing.

Until they bring out ranked matches, there should be no distinction. Premades and Pugs should not be split up. The Crimson Slayers will continue to wreck the opposition! Till Sea Swallows All!

There is a Maelstrom Premade? How successful are they? lol

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Originally Posted by Houston009

There is a Maelstrom Premade? How successful are they? lol

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Lol right?

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Originally Posted by Houston009

There is a Maelstrom Premade? How successful are they? lol

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Only one from Maelstrom we've ever had to worry about was from Cactuar lol

There was a group of 7 ninjas all in red forget what server they were on. You ever get jumped by 7 ninjas before the nerf. It is worse then blms

11-7-2 So good start. Only playing Secure though, we don't like sharing the glory with pugs in Slaughter.

And I see you're all from Balmung. See ya soon!

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Originally Posted by Iagainsti

And I see you're all from Balmung. See ya soon!

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If I wasn't so sad about PvP I would take you up. No one fears forever 3rd maelstrom. I have noticed an improvement on your side the last month. But I also have seen alot of flames queing as you guys.

I see that premakers are very proud of their ability to slice with ease hordes of random meat into small pieces )
But i think that premade and random battles must be separated due to very unequal starting conditions. Premade parties makes PvP not interesting for nonhardcore players. I see it in my community - it's small enough to make full PvP party from players from the same GC and most players said that it is not interesting to play against preamdes (their skills and gear can't change situation and means nothing) and dropped PvPing at all.
Another problem - communication. Console gamers in random party has no time to chat, it's very slow with gamepad. So, they have unequal conditions with PC players. I think that all players must have more equal chances to win and benefits of usage of off-game tools (PS voice chat, TS) should be minimized.

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Originally Posted by Alx789

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There's no glory in taking down disorganized randoms. The fun was all in running into other premades.

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Originally Posted by Stormrider

If I wasn't so sad about PvP I would take you up. No one fears forever 3rd maelstrom. I have noticed an improvement on your side the last month. But I also have seen alot of flames queing as you guys.

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has Aether changed that much since I left ? (2.4)

Back then it was Maelstrom forever 1st until we meet that adders premade and then we would be 2nd some times, sometimes we would win.

On Chaos datacenter though it's really fun.

Maelstrom often pushes good, sometimes not, etc... and when one GC has 80 points.... both adders and flames tag team Maelstrom. Even when we aren't winning.

It has come down to a point where playing PvP is just a chore to get weekly reward...

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

has Aether changed that much since I left ? (2.4)

Back then it was Maelstrom forever 1st until we meet that adders premade and then we would be 2nd some times, sometimes we would win.

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I don't recall Maelstrom ever being first majority of the time. Yes, they use to win a good chunk previously rather than <10% win rate now (LOL). It's has always been Flames & Adder winning the most, and Storm sneaking in those elusive victories.

I'm with Straigus. Maelstrom's always been the underdog on Aether unless there's this pocket of good Storm players playing only in the mornings.

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Originally Posted by Atreus

I'm with Straigus. Maelstrom's always been the underdog on Aether unless there's this pocket of good Storm players playing only in the mornings.

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your morning is my prime time >_> which may explain my 20/20 1st places before I move datacenters (now stats are a bit more... diverse : 29/40/21)

Thing is, there was a really good european Maelstrom group but I don't know how they're doing now.

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Originally Posted by Alx789

I pay the same money for subscription and want to have the same game conditions. What's wrong?

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I don't want to sound like a jerk, really, but PS3, PS4 and PC gaming will never have the same game conditions. ever. Not on MMO gaming anyway

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

I don't want to sound like a jerk, really, but PS3, PS4 and PC gaming will never have the same game conditions.

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PS3? maybe due to the lower specs of the system and the fact most do not render on it do bring out a issue when it comes to playing on them.

PS4 (with a keyboard and mouse or just keyboard and controller) is on equal playing field as PC, until you start getting to the people with ultra specific keyboards and mice that have like 30 macro buttons so everything they do is attacked to a macro and the keyboard itself is extremely sensitive (i'm talking one of those £400 keyboards and £250 mice) PC will have the advantage but at that point it is down to those who specifically do nothing but MMO's who have the equipment to be as efficient as possible.
If the game was twitch played (like LOL or DOTA2) Ps4 wouldn't have a chance with pc but due to the 2.5 GCD (1.9 GCD for even the fastest players) It keeps PS4 and PC similar.

That said, even randoms made up of say PC pugs, wouldn't win against PS3 premades or PS4 premades this is where the issue of my original post comes in,
Pre-mades are causing a major imballance to any player.

No. Ps4 keyboard lags and loses chars. And has some other problems. I have 2 wireless keyboadrs from different producers and both has the same problems. Ps4+kbd and mouse != PC.

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Originally Posted by DracotheDragon

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vocal plays an important part, and unless you can gather a team with only PS4 players, you'll be at a disadvantage vs full PC team. That's talking about premade vs premade, as premade will usually own hard PUGs anyway.

of course PS4 players can have a computer or a phone with TS, but not all have.

PS3 original/ now ps4 player. we use PS Chat and used to use Vent apps on our phones previously.

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Originally Posted by Stormrider

If I wasn't so sad about PvP I would take you up. No one fears forever 3rd maelstrom. I have noticed an improvement on your side the last month. But I also have seen alot of flames queing as you guys.

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I'm sad that you're being sad, but just to know I'd eat your Brd on my Marauder anyday ;P though if I was on Blk, I'd probably Sleep/Sprint until I found a Ninja to help me take you down lol

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Originally Posted by Alx789

No. Ps4 keyboard lags and loses chars. And has some other problems. I have 2 wireless keyboadrs from different producers and both has the same problems. Ps4+kbd and mouse != PC.

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Sounds like you have a bad choice in keyboards.

http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Wirel...itech+keyboard

It works fine.

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Originally Posted by Wintersandman

Sounds like you have a bad choice in keyboards.

http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Wirel...itech+keyboard

It works fine.

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You may laugh, but i have this one. It loses chars and sometimes conflicts with gamepad's mouse.
I also have such keyboard
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00709E4V...XVD9S5PQ8A4J9S
It has another problems and loses chars too.
Both of them are unusable as game controllers and i should need to drop gamepad to chat using it.
Also i can use ios/android pad or phone to type text, but it's not for a quick chat.

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Originally Posted by Alx789

You may laugh, but i have this one. It loses chars and sometimes conflicts with gamepad's mouse.
I also have such keyboard
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00709E4V...XVD9S5PQ8A4J9S
It has another problems and loses chars too.
Both of them are unusable as game controllers and i should need to drop gamepad to chat using it.
Also i can use ios/android pad or phone to type text, but it's not for a quick chat.

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Ps chat, or Vent app for Ios an android

Special tools can be used for premades only, not for random parties

Be sociable and make some friends than, loner! stop complaining that others have an advantage when in actuality it is not, it is a utilization of a tool available to anyone through different applications. COMPLAINER/WHINER THREAD ALERT!!!!!!!!!

No kidding this thread is so troll.