Premades shouldnt be able to queue into pugs

Lately there's been alot of premade groups queuing frontlines, i've seen scores such as Team A - 130+ points, team B and C under 30, just getting farmed by coordinated groups of 24 players on voice chat, sleeping\rooting and limit breaking at the same time, etc.

Premade groups should only be able to queue into other premade groups, if there's 2+ groups of 8 players all from the same server, it should be considered a premade, and should only allow those parties to queue into other groups of 8 from the same server.

Not only do the PVP queues take 20+ minutes some days during normal play hours for most people in north america, but there's nothing more unsatisfying then just getting crushed by a group of organized players after spending that long in a queue.

PS - change limit break system back to the old way.

I don't PvP, but tbh:

1) You could try to join a FL LS and make pre-mades yourself. If in your own opinion that pre-mades does raise chances of victory, why not place yourself in a position of advantage?

2) If you actually know the tactics, why not try leading the pack? Just FYI one of my FC mate was one of the first few on server who got the ADS mount. He did it either solo queue or with a few FC mates, not a full 8-man team or full 24 man pre-made GC alliance. He goes in and majority of the people are Japanese players, as we are on a JP Data Centre. He can't speak Japanese for nuts, all he did was to place way marks and use the auto-translate options to form instructions to his fellow JP players.

He was so-actively doing it, to the point that the JP players started recognizing him and follow his commands to victory.


There might be flaws in the game, but every time players need to ask themselves is there anything they can do to help themselves instead of just simply asking for a change whenever there is anything not favorable.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

ust FYI one of my FC mate was one of the first few on server who got the ADS mount.

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This is not that big of an achievement. You did not have to get 200 wins since the patch, but old wins were grandfathered in. Some people were able to get one more win to trigger the achievement and get the mount, if they already had 200+ wins.

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Originally Posted by Titor

This is not that big of an achievement. You did not have to get 200 wins since the patch, but old wins were grandfathered in. Some people were able to get one more win to trigger the achievement and get the mount, if they already had 200+ wins.

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Okay, fine, but then that's besides the point. After getting the ADS mount he's still PvPing for the PvP gears for glamour and he's still leading the pugs as usual. The main point is that pugs =/= automatic loss. If he can lead despite the language barrier, what stops anyone else from trying?

As far as I know there isnt a FL LS on my server, and if there is it isnt advertised anywhere. Any half decent premade will stomp pugs, there is a chance another grand company could have a premade aswell. also wins are irrelevant, obtaining an ADS mount \ 200 wins just shows how much you play, he could have a 20% win\loss ratio overall. Pugs also arent even close to as coordinated as a premade group communicating through voice, pugs will waste their limit break, or be stubborn and not listen to anything you say, you can only lead pugs to some extent.

you should also note that pvp is lacking very badly in FFXIV, and most other mmo's with a far more successful pvp scene dont let premades queue into pugs, or have a competitive game mode that premades would be forced to use. ( solo queue ) ( team queue )

Well I guess it is just another trait of NA servers then.

I guess I got to thank that JP players are generally cooperative (and willing to be).

The premade thing really is pretty annoying. It's extremely difficult to get in with one if you are not in Flames or Adders. Especially Flames on Primal since they seem to be lacking in PvPers.

Yeah, I'd love to do frontlines with my guildies, but there's only so many that are the same grand company as me, play at the same times and want to pvp at the same time as one another, but that's a whole different problem. I'm sure the JP database is FAR different then NA, maybe i'll give it a try sometime.

we don't need any other queue options to split the people who want to play any further. maybe if everyone in the server actually played instead of being in hunt parties but there isn't enough incentive to pull in everyone to make split queues for team and solo. if you want any proof of that try and queue for premade wolves den.

or hell even try queing for solo il80 sync wolves.

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Originally Posted by Potatoes

we don't need any other queue options to split the people who want to play any further.

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Thank you for taking the words right outta my mouth. :)

The problem isn't the pre-made; the problem is the lack of communication in a PUG. Saying "no more pre-mades in with PUGs" is like saying "no more properly-cooked chicken mixed in with the salmonella, it's not doing its part to make people sick."

I could have done without the PM on Primal Flames last night. They stole a win at the end of the night by doing a melee LB on me then spamming 4 cometeors on my team. That was painful to watch.

But I don't know about stopping them altogether. People should be rewarded for working together. It is a MMO.

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Originally Posted by Horizons

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There is no way to queue as 24. The most you can queue as is 8. Sure you can get super lucky and queue into the same game with 2 groups but it is the exception not the rule (yes we've tried, a lot), I'd doubt it would EVER happen with 3 groups.

You shouldn't be punished for playing with friends :\
I'd rather que and lose than not get a que at all tbh.

This is the worst idea ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If anything they need to allow premades to queue for roulett so that secue is revived before it becomes the next wolves den :(

Premades should queue into PUGs but with reduced rewards (XP/ Wolf marks) something like, 2man -20%, 3man -30%, 4man -40% and so on

A good number of people get their enjoyment from queuing up with their buddies. Remember pairing up with a friend or two is still considered a premade. Full premades have been happening since the beginning of Secure Frontline, y'know. This isn't new stuff, it's just more noticeable now because of Adrenaline and landslide victories. I do agree with the "PS" though, back to party LB would be super.

Did someone just suggest that a party of 8 should get 80% less rewards? Whattttttt!!!??? Just go play a single player game. This is a MMORPG. You are off your rocker.

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Originally Posted by faq

There is no way to queue as 24. The most you can queue as is 8. Sure you can get super lucky and queue into the same game with 2 groups but it is the exception not the rule (yes we've tried, a lot), I'd doubt it would EVER happen with 3 groups.

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I am not sure about 24 but I have seen Gilgamesh que 16 Adders into a match. They must know something.

To people against premades. You don't understand the que generally punished queing as a group (no idea why). The Adders on Aether have the best que also able to field the most premade groups. The system is begging for more of them to que. With out that party of 8 adders that roflstomped you. You would have had no match.

You can blame slaughter over premades. The small play area allows them to affect outcome more. If you have ever had a match where your party is all rank 45 regulars you are just as powerful as any premade.

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Originally Posted by faq

There is no way to queue as 24. The most you can queue as is 8. Sure you can get super lucky and queue into the same game with 2 groups but it is the exception not the rule (yes we've tried, a lot), I'd doubt it would EVER happen with 3 groups.

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You just queue with 3 parties of 8 at the same time, it's possible a group might not make it, but thats unlikely, especially if the queues are 40+ minutes for everyone else.

16/24??? They must be exploiting. Although, it might just be because the premade has quite the following of solo q groupies and come from one of the higher populated servers????

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Originally Posted by faq

16/24??? They must be exploiting. Although, it might just be because the premade has quite the following of solo q groupies and come from one of the higher populated servers????

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I hope you are kind of trying to be funny? I will buy that when premades are on and a team is winning alot of matches more people que. Probably gathering from server. I wish I had taken some screen shots. I just don't believe that 16 all from the same server and 2 Gilgamesh Flames knew the names of players who ended up on the list. Was not some organized effort.

But with all the extra Adders ques were almost the fastest pops of the week. I could also tell for once there were at least 3 separate games going on. Adders are the weak que link for Aether. With separate people queing all three factions the couple Adders always get double the amount of matches.

There seriously was a ton of people who transferred to the premades on flames (causing even worse q times) and followed them when they switched to adders due to q length. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they had the same reasoning.

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Originally Posted by faq

There seriously was a ton of people who transferred to the premades on flames (causing even worse q times) and followed them when they switched to adders due to q length. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they had the same reasoning.

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You know logic doesn't work here, what are you? Reasonable?

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Originally Posted by Mardel

You know logic doesn't work here, what are you? Reasonable?

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Truer words were never spoken.

Nobody loves the Maelstrom ... ; ;

I am not sure we agree about premade. I consider 8 showing up from any server. Which usually means a coordinated effort to get into the same match. With an average of 30 matches a week and a bit over 700 matches I have never seen the amount of people from one server like Gilgamesh is fielding. Also out of the three teams the ability to get as many LB off in a small window implies a little more coordination then random server ques.

The whole flame thins is weird. For almost 3 months we have been winning way more then 50% which I have said is wrong. Now I see a whole bunch of jumpers. You may not believe me but actual premades were rare and mostly from Sargatanas. What we really had going was teams of all rank 40+. Regulars same people every match. A team familiarity.


All the win chasers are fools because there aren't premade teams getting them wins. All they have done is spread out the good players. You are right there are Flames going Adder but also to Maelstrom. They aren't chasing wins but ques.

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Originally Posted by Stormrider

The whole flame thins is weird. For almost 3 months we have been winning way more then 50% which I have said is wrong. Now I see a whole bunch of jumpers. You may not believe me but actual premades were rare and mostly from Sargatanas. What we really had going was teams of all rank 40+. Regulars same people every match. A team familiarity.

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Those were good times...

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

Well I guess it is just another trait of NA servers then.

I guess I got to thank that JP players are generally cooperative (and willing to be).

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This is true. NA players bicker and point fingers waaaaay too much as opposed to actually trying to work together.

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Originally Posted by Horizons

Lately there's been alot of premade groups queuing frontlines, i've seen scores such as Team A - 130+ points, team B and C under 30, just getting farmed by coordinated groups of 24 players on voice chat, sleeping\rooting and limit breaking at the same time, etc.

Premade groups should only be able to queue into other premade groups, if there's 2+ groups of 8 players all from the same server, it should be considered a premade, and should only allow those parties to queue into other groups of 8 from the same server.

Not only do the PVP queues take 20+ minutes some days during normal play hours for most people in north america, but there's nothing more unsatisfying then just getting crushed by a group of organized players after spending that long in a queue.

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Until they bring out ranked matches, there should be no distinction. The Crimson Slayers will continue to wreck the opposition! Till Sea Swallows All! ps- love the hat!

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Originally Posted by Stormrider

I am not sure about 24 but I have seen Gilgamesh que 16 Adders into a match. They must know something.

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It's coincidence. I'm not part of The Gilgamesh Premade <tm>, but I've done a lot of matches with The Gilgamesh Premade <tm>. I'm an Adder on Gilgamesh.

Aside from seeing The Gilgamesh Premade <tm> standing around town and sometimes hunting with them, I dunno them from Adam outside of PvP. But, yes, word does get around when The Gilgamesh Premade <tm> is queuing, and people preferentially jump in to play if they can. I've been in games where The Gilgamesh Premade <tm> have been on the losing side (though not many - maybe once), and they don't complain, they don't point fingers; in fact, they just seem to roll with the punches.

Which is a sight more than people on this forum seem capable of doing. <.<

Flames from Gilgamesh always win. It's annoying.

Because Flames is best GC. Long live the Immortal Flames!

Not in Secure, but i tell you the Adders will always attack Storm no matter where we are in points while the Flames get to do what they want.

I don't think I'm too familiar with Gilgamesh's Flames group but Leviathan's group is usually pretty rough to deal with. Either way I'm not against the premades queue. I don't know of any outstanding groups like that on my server to make a premade group with though. Only premade from our server was a former top FC that was mostly Adders and I remember watching them just wreck through every area on Secure alone :/ But still it can be pretty fun, to me, to play against some better competition like that at times. Especially when you do get a victory over them.