Is Warrior for me?

So I leveled my Paladin a but ago, and I enjoy it..or at least, I enjoy the many defensive CDs I have and using them wisely is fun.
But..I'm just not feeling the rotation, at all.

I've been wanting to level Warrior since before I even leveled PLD but I've never gotten around to it.

Basically. I want to tank, playing my pld quite a bit I can see myself maiming(lol) a tank, but I can't see myself maining pld. So I thought maybe warrior is for me.
I want to be a tank but I'm tired of these wussy numbers on my pld, I'm tired of not having that big hp pool, and I'm tired of hitting 1-2-3 to keep emnity and dps, its extremely stale.
As I said, I really enjoy the many CDs though, how is warrior in that regard?

I'm pretty sure warriors rotations is a bit more complex than pld and that intrigues me, I also like the concept of inner beast and I'm curious to play with it myself in game.

So hearing all this, am I meant to be a warrior?


Edit: I realize this is all opinionated but I think I need some motivation to level because I'm sure I'll enjoy it at 50 but the pains of leveling yet another job are getting to me.

Also I guess I should note if I got level 50 on warrior he would immediately be in full i110-120 gear

Better variety of rotation but less variety of defensive cooldowns. Easy as hell to get a tank to 50 and you should be 26 at least already right? Go for it and give it a shot. There's only very rare occurences of wanting 2 of the same tank job so you'll open your options up a bit even if you don't end up liking it more.

Does this make you chuckle? It's comedic but still pretty accurate.

http://i.imgur.com/CKPkwmk.png

Warrior's pretty fun. More durable than it gets credit for, and it looks really cool in full plate wielding a crazy looking ax. Rule of cool says moar warriors.

I find playing my warrior a lot more fun than my paladin at the moment, but it could also be because my warrior is max and my paladin is not :)

Thanks for the responses. That picture made me laugh pretty hard.

I think a big draw to warrior for me is I want to tank but still get to see high numbers/big crits. I don't get that really with pld..like at all.
It just feels very bland.

Edit: somehow I failed to mention PLDs lack of aoe damage...that is most definitely the biggest drawback for me. It's no fun spamming flash

Pretty much how Tanking is. Your not suppose to see big number only when a big number is hitting you and the sweet cake of it is how much did you reduce that big huge hit by? It's always sweet seeing a MB deal 0 HP damage or a mega flare dealing 300 Damage due to mitigation not just on my part but healers Adlo and Stone Skin.

PLD is my main but I also have WAR too, I try to main both but I'm more as ease with my PLD. I only switch to PLD depending on the situation.
I believe there is secret way to playing your job. Once you get really used to it you start doing things you wouldn't thought of doing the 1st time you start playing and you do things that you makes you think "why didn't I do this before?" like putting my Bloodbath with Fight or Flight or Stone Skinning myself on those brief breaks I have. I notice not many PLD's do that but really should as it helps the heals.

war may have less cooldowns, but they have more uptime, path is better than halones debuff, and ib is a heal and a shield
and vengeance and bloodbath only gets better and better the more things you have on you

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Originally Posted by Martin_Arcainess

like putting my Bloodbath with Fight or Flight or Stone Skinning myself on those brief breaks I have. I notice not many PLD's do that but really should as it helps the heals.

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yes well, a lot of pld are bad
I blame the gla and pld quests all being super easy and lame, and the whole "3 button dance" design
and the fact that scorn isn't till level fucking 50

No harm in trying, if you think warriors your class then jump on it, or you could play both if you wanted to as it's easy to spread gear between them.

Btw the 'wussy' numbers thing is irrelevant because the way both WAR and PLD damage is slightly different, with pally having more ofc attacks and a fast auto attack speed, whereas warrior is mainly on the GCD and produces larger numbers to make up for it as well as needing the larger numbers to make inner beast work as well as it does.

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Originally Posted by Slappah

I think a big draw to warrior for me is I want to tank but still get to see high numbers/big crits. I don't get that really with pld..like at all.
It just feels very bland.

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If you gear correctly you can see some nice crits, though not nearly as big as warrior. The best I've seen so far is 1150-ish on Spirits Within. Rage of Halone regularly crits for 900+. I need more strength gear. :3

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Originally Posted by Martin_Arcainess

Pretty much how Tanking is. Your not suppose to see big number only when a big number is hitting you and the sweet cake of it is how much did you reduce that big huge hit by? It's always sweet seeing a MB deal 0 HP damage or a mega flare dealing 300 Damage due to mitigation not just on my part but healers Adlo and Stone Skin.

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I dunno. I've started optimizing my gear for DPS after reaching the minimum accuracy requirement simply because Parry builds aren't so great. The return on it is atrocious. I get that I'm a tank first, but why not do all the damage I can? Yes the DPS should be meeting DPS checks on their own, but it's nice to have a little extra push from the tank too. I do have to admit it's fun to see tank crunchers do 0 damage, though. Laughing in the mob's face always makes my day. I make sure to compliment my healers on their mitigation when I see that. ^^

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I believe there is secret way to playing your job. Once you get really used to it you start doing things you wouldn't thought of doing the 1st time you start playing and you do things that you makes you think "why didn't I do this before?" like putting my Bloodbath with Fight or Flight or Stone Skinning myself on those brief breaks I have. I notice not many PLD's do that but really should as it helps the heals.

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Right? I can't believe the amount of paladins I've seen that don't self stone-skin or use things like FoF/BB together. Self stone skin has saved my butt more than a few times when I'm completely out of other cooldowns. It seems like fully half of the PLD I get in DF when I heal barely even use CD's, much less use them effectively. :s

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

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There's so much wrong here that it actually makes my head hurt.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

There's so much wrong here that it actually makes my head hurt.

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Then you probably need to stop playing WAR. That's the perfect opener. The only possible downside is vengeance being misplaced, and you'll know when those fights are.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

Then you probably need to stop playing WAR. That's the perfect opener. The only possible downside is vengeance being misplaced, and you'll know when those fights are.

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how is it perfect if youre wasting precious zerk time running up to it?

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

Then you probably need to stop playing WAR. That\\'s the perfect opener. The only possible downside is vengeance being misplaced, and you\\'ll know when those fights are.

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Wat

That's a terrible opener. It does its job of initial hate on the Tomahawk, then it rapidly begins to be worse and worse than an actual optimized opener.

Warrior is a whole lot stronger than Paladin in regards to DPS. When played correctly, the defensive cooldowns missing from a paladin can be made up for, at least for the most part. However, the one thing a warrior can't make up for is Hallowed Ground. As long as a fight doesn't come to this (and it shouldn't) then there is no problem. Another thing it loses out on is blocking, but a fight shouldn't come down to the RNG system, not if you're good and have a good party. That being said, if you suck as a warrior, you're going to suck a whole lot more than a Paladin that sucks just as much. So, don't suck.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

Then you probably need to stop playing WAR. That's the perfect opener. The only possible downside is vengeance being misplaced, and you'll know when those fights are.

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Instead of insulting you, I decided to make an image explaining why you're wrong and how you can stop being that way:

http://i.imgur.com/TP3bJaW.png

Well back on topic, I got warrior to 34. I'm enjoying it a lot (at least, enjoying it as much as you can without really having all your skills)

I'm excited to hit my 5 level intervals to keep getting new warrior abilities. Even more excited as I get closer to 50.
Who knows if I'll stick with it after 50 but it's lookin good so far.

Oh. And being a MRD with raging strikes, invigorate, internal release and berserk, spamming op, is so hilarious.
That's one thing I'll miss since I got my job crystal.

@OP

I feel where you are coming from. PLD was, and is still in my heart of hearts...lol, my main. He is the one I gear up first. He is the one I take into new content. Becuase he is safe and reliable in my eyes. I got bored and wanted to DPS, so I chose BLM, so he is my DPS main, slowly being overtaken by NIN(with BRD creeping in the shadows). At any rate. I decided, why not try WAR.

HOLY $#!t, this job is a flippin blast. Lot's of different things to do here. WAR is not about OVERPOWER ONRY!! It is about soaking up that dmg son! I recomment you play that bad boy and level him up. But take your time though. Learn the in and outs. Learn how to ride the red line, how to come back from it. You like defensive cooldowns, I do to. It's different on war.

IMO PLD is a lot of proactive skills/buffs/cd's, where as WAR is both to an extent. You can be proactive with Foresight and Convelesence, but I like the reactive aspect of the job. IB, Bloodbath, etc. Stacking these many skill that WAR has is insanely fun. That and the fact that once you are comfortable with content you can start to experiment more. Swapping STR in, not being in defiance etc.

Long story short. Give it a go and enjoy the ride. It is a a good thing to have the option of two tanks.

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That's precisely how I feel. I'm so much more comfortable on paladin for progression because it's reliable and safe. Defensive buffs being off the GCD is a huge plus when you're just learning a fight. With that said, I have been having a lot of fun playing warrior lately. In fact, my 3rd zodiac is going to be Ragnarok. ^^

Even if you find at the end of that road that you don't like the Job, the experience of being the shoes of a Warrior will be invaluable to you as a fellow tank. But it sounds like you're having fun and getting engaged, so there seems to be no worries there.

Aye I'm getting close to level 40 now and I've been having a blast since unlocking IB at 35.
And now that I got storms path my rotation is even more interesting.

I hate to say it but I've been enjoying leveling this warrior more than I enjoy tanking on my pld at level 50.

Super stoked to hit 50, got a full set of gear even the upgraded soldiery axe just waiting, staring at me.

Definitely level WAR too. It gives you perspective and more options, plus you might just really like it.

Level 47 now and I'm still having a blast. In fact, it only got better since I got unchained, and more recently steel cyclone(wow this ability is fun!)

The grind is seriously getting to me, as this will be my 7th job at 50. I'm really sick of leveling but I'm pushing forward as I'm super pumped to hit 50.

After I get there and play for a bit I will give my verdict on if warrior is in fact for me.

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Originally Posted by Slappah

Level 47 now and I'm still having a blast. In fact, it only got better since I got unchained, and more recently steel cyclone(wow this ability is fun!)

The grind is seriously getting to me, as this will be my 7th job at 50. I'm really sick of leveling but I'm pushing forward as I'm super pumped to hit 50.

After I get there and play for a bit I will give my verdict on if warrior is in fact for me.

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should at least have a full i100 set ready when you hit 50 then
I do already for my 47 drg

so many tomes and st makes it even easier with the buyable weapons

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Originally Posted by aisustrong

should at least have a full i100 set ready when you hit 50 then
I do already for my 47 drg

so many tomes and st makes it even easier with the buyable weapons

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I have full upgraded soldiery gear + weapon with some IW jewelry ready to go. Don't have to worry about sands or oils or anything.

Ok so I hit 50 earlier today and I have a question about big pulls in dungeons, especially the current exp roulette ones.

I did a keeper run and did the same size pulls as I do on my PLD and it just seemed like I was taking way too much damage, and the healer was having a hard time keeping my hp up. We got through just fine but it just felt like I was doing something wrong, considering how easily I run the place on my pld.

I guess maybe I just don't have my timings of CDs down well enough like I do on PLD.
Or maybe I was too focused on trying to do damage, using steel cyclone a lot.
I'm not sure if IB is worth it or not on big aoe pulls like that.

It was only my 2nd dungeon at level 50 as a WAR though, and I wasn't used to having infuriate quite yet (still not.)

Ok so after running a good few dungeons (ironically, only keeper of the lake because exp roulette hates me) and also getting in some Levi ex kills(lost with horribad rolls on mount and mirror :( (I think I'm closing in on 60+ kills now q.q)

I can say. Warrior is for me. This is seriously a blast.
Like wow. I'm still not great but I can definitely tell I'm getting comfortable with the timings of my skills during a boss fight to successfully mitigate big hits and keep myself up.
I definitely have a lot to improve on but for once I can actually say I can see myself maiming a tank as a warrior.
This might just be the job I focus on from now and be the first I take to 60 in the xpac.

Congratulations! I am glad you have found your "home"!

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Congratulations! I am glad you have found your "home"!

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Indeed. Thank you.

It's been around 4ish days now of being level 50 and I've only gotten better and started enjoying it more especially now that I really have muscle memory kickin in for everything.

I thought I would start getting tired of it like I did with PLD but that hasn't happened so far and doesn't seem like it will ^_^
This job has everything I want. I even have been queueing wolves den and wrecking people as warrior it's great!

I find WAR to be far from the mundane just due to the ways you can do things. PUSH DPS, Push your redline with pulls, mitigate and soak like crazy. There are a lot of different things you can do as a WAR to keep the tanking fun.

I have always and always will be a turtle though. So I have that special place for my PLD. He is all bizness. WAR is when I wanna go batsh*t crazy and live a lil, lol.


Interesting to see what happens when we get DRK.

Nice to hear you are having fun with the class, I'll have to saw WAR is super fun to tank with at the end game, especially when you learn how to do lock out pulls with it :D

I am talking about end game. Meaning, final coil content.

PLD is the more useful of the tanks to have levelled as it can be MT or ST.
Parties will take PLD (MT) + WAR (ST).
They will take PLD (MT) + PLD (ST).
However, i think it unlikely that final coil parties will do WAR (MT) + WAR (ST).
Or even WAR (MT) + PLD (ST).

Thus, WAR, in most end game parties, performs the ST role.

Therefore, if you are planning to get into the tanking business, i recommend that you level PLD to 50 first. WAR to 50 after that, if you find PLD insufficient for you.

Anyway, can see that you are already doing this :)

Not entirely true.

T10 either tank can MT, it doesn't really matter. WAR is potentially the better option as they do more damage as MT and the quicker you get through the last phase the better. This also leaves PLD the option to Tempered Will + Hallowed a HL + Charge, which is pretty good for progression vs Holmgang which could potentially kill your WAR.

T11 PLD is the MT simply due to the fact that they have a shield (and also can only spam RoH combo), but that doesn't really matter since both tanks are in front of the boss.

T12 each tank is MT 50% of the time and OT 50% of the time.

T13 PLD is the better MT in progression due to Hallowed Ground, though WAR MT + PLD OT does combine for more DPS if played correctly. Usually people stick with PLD MT for this, though.

So that's 1 whole turn where the PLD is actually tanking the boss alone. Along with this, I've seen significantly more WAR + WAR than PLD + PLD in Final Coil.

PLD being the most popular also equals less open spots for PLDs, so that's something to consider. Point is, I don't see this as an argument for leveling PLD over WAR. Level the one you want to play most, or level both, they're both used at end game so you have no worries for that.

PLD is by far much more popular than WAR, and thus it's so hard to find good WARs in endgame. If you can master the WAR class, you'll be very valuable to any raid group that takes progression seriously. There are way too many PLDs out there and most of them won't be able to cut it on WAR.

That being said, serious tank players should know how to play both PLD and WAR optimally. When Heavensward comes out, add DRK to the list as well.