One of my biggest concerns with this game is how there is no /useitem command, at least not anymore. I would love to drink a STR potion before using Second Wind (maybe an X-Potion after?) or an INT potion before popping a Flare. Not only would it allow for optimization, but it would also allow stat-boosting potions to NOT be worthless!
Who's with me?
/useitem or Riot!
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02-07-2015, 01:40 AMHakuroDK/useitem or Riot!
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02-07-2015, 01:43 AMAnubis_Nephthys
I agree, that'd be useful. But potions are not useless in their current state. You can easily map them to your hotbars. Just takes a little more effort atm.
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02-07-2015, 01:50 AMFranSeara
put em on your hot bar...........
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02-07-2015, 01:56 AMMilesSaintboroguh
People always talk about rioting. No one ever does it.
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02-07-2015, 01:57 AMAnubis_Nephthys
I agree, that'd be useful. But potions are not useless in their current state. You can easily map them to your hotbars. Just takes a little more effort atm.
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02-07-2015, 02:00 AMAnubis_Nephthys
The page seems to be wonky on android.
when I went to view replies, I could do nothing but post again. And I can't seem to find where I can delete the double post. Oh well. -
02-07-2015, 02:44 AMAshrakhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xECUrlnXCqkQuote:
Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh
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02-07-2015, 03:15 AMClaireAbigail
Judging by how macros work in this game it will just be a dps loss. Or you'll be mashing your button than you'll end up using the skill and then the potion. Go manual.
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02-07-2015, 03:39 AMFelis/item potionQuote:
Originally Posted by ClaireAbigail
/action skill
Press it once to use the potion. Press it again to use the skill, because the potion is on cool down.
But only if the devs bring /item back (it was in 1.x) -
02-07-2015, 05:37 AMHakuroDKPretty much this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Felis
I use a controller to play, which means I can only really use the cross hotbar comfortably (I can use other hotbars for toggle abilities and out-of-combat actions, but I need to concentrate as much as possible), which means that putting stat potions on my hotbar isn't something I can do without sacrificing skills. I mean, I have all of my cooldown buffs tied to a single macro. That makes things very easy for me with a cross hotbar, 'cause I can just spam that macro as much as I need to until I feel sufficiently buffed. I can spam a little and get only one or two useful buffs and gradually hit my macro as needed, or I can spam it a lot and get all of my cooldown buffs at once.
With items in macros, I can use an item, say... an X-Potion of Strength, wait 3 seconds, then activate Second Wind. Or use an X-Potion of Intelligence, wait 3 seconds, then use Swiftcast Flare. Either way, it's not nearly as much of a DPS loss as it may appear.
I mean, X-Potion of Intelligence grants as much as 64 points of INT. That's kind of a big deal. I don't have all the math in front of me, but I'm sure that it would still be a significant damage increase, at least enough to outweigh a full three seconds to use a potion. -
02-07-2015, 05:57 AMLineageRazor
Agreed. Crosshotbar space is typically much too valuable to waste a slot dedicated to a single type of potion. Nearly every ability I use is macroed to one degree or another, such as combining Cover, Shield Lob, and Shield Bash into a single macro. (Target is an ally? Use Cover. Target is an enemy? If within range, use Shield Bash, if not, Shield Lob.) I would LOVE to have a /item command, to make Potions usable within macros!
And on the topic of the importance of macros when using the crosshotbar - we need more than 100 macros! After leveling every job, I have no room left for Dark Knight, Astrologian, or Machinist, let alone macros for new abilities we get on existing jobs as we level to 60! -
02-07-2015, 06:10 AMRyans
You guys need to learn how to optimize the cross hotbar better. You can play nearly every job with 1 bar and the combo bar without having to use stupid macros that grant you "efficiency" but actually only make you worse because of how horribly designed the macro system is. As a tank I suppose it doesn't matter too much, but a DD is only losing potential dps with all their buffs on one macro or multiple weapon skill macros.
My point is that if you optimize the cross hotbar correctly you can have plenty of space for your jobs x-potion of choice. -
02-07-2015, 06:34 AMHouston009^ 10/char...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryans
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02-07-2015, 06:39 AMAmetrine
I can easily use two pages on the hotbar.
I HIGHLY HIGHLY RECOMMEND utilising the hold setting and attatching stuff like items, sprint, teleport on a bar set up so that it is accessed by hold L2 and R2 down. It absolutely vital for me as a summoner as I need those 8 extra slots for pet commands on my main bars, but I have it set up that way on all of my jobs.
I can do a tutorial of how to set it up when I get home if you want. -
02-07-2015, 07:04 AMHakuroDK
>Suggests a /useitem command to make using items easier as a QoL suggestion.
>Everyone suggests I stop sucking at using cross hotbars.
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02-07-2015, 07:13 AMKaze3434I think it would be easier for people to see your point if they saw your cross hotbar, to see what you are using all of the space on.Quote:
Originally Posted by HakuroDK
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02-07-2015, 07:54 AMHakuroDKExcept my point has nothing to do with cross hotbars and everything to do with letting people use items in macros. This whole thread got derailed because some people criticized my inability to manage hotbars effectively and I'd rather get it back on point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaze3434
Besides, even if I did post my cross hotbar layout, everyone here would just criticize my layout because this is the internet. -
02-07-2015, 08:36 AMkyuven
there's kind of a sneaky way to allow this, but I don't know if it works for gamepads.
Simply assign the same command to the same button.
For example, you have have ` activate "hotbar 2 button 2" and "hotbar 3 button 2" and stick the potion on one of those. I don't know how well this works, though, since I keep my potions on a separate key so I can time them better (being a bard, i don't have a super mega hard hitting attack like most classes do, so I have one running for setting DoTs. Which may or may not happen at the same time as throwing up buffs.
The way I see things, if they HAD a feature and removed it, there was probably a reason we're not being told. MIGHT have something to do with preventing quests from being macroed, but I have no idea. -
02-07-2015, 08:51 AMClaireAbigail
Maybe because the macro system we have here is already inefficient? Going by your example, which is using a str potion then second wind in one button, you know what the result is gonna be half the time? You'll end up casting second wind and then using the potion.
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02-07-2015, 09:57 AMHakuroDKI have never had anything like that ever happen in game. My macros have always activated in order of operation. Maybe your network connection is poor?Quote:
Originally Posted by ClaireAbigail
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02-07-2015, 10:02 AMClaireAbigailUnless you're using /wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by HakuroDK
I'm talking about doing it like
/ac "insert off gcd skill here"
/ac "insert off gcd skill here"
Not
/ac "blah"
/wait 1
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02-07-2015, 10:18 AMZaftIt is my belief that there is a special ring in Hell for people who use /wait in their ability macros.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClaireAbigail
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02-07-2015, 10:22 AMkyuvenQuote:
Originally Posted by HakuroDK
happens to me too sometimes. I set a few CDs to venomous shot and i can mash it all day and venomous shot itself won't activate until i stop and wait. -
02-07-2015, 10:36 AMClaireAbigailUnless you're crafting :p then wait is a godsend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaft
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02-07-2015, 11:15 PMFelisMaybe some skills share the same CD?Quote:
Originally Posted by kyuven
i have a macro that activate with click 1 Mantra, click 2 Internal Release and click 3 Second Wind, without /wait. And the order don't change.