Sending mail to alts

After all this time, why is it still not possible to send items ingame to other characters on your same account? Why hasn't someone figured out how to set this account wide yet? Come on SE, it would make things so much easier if you allowed this, instead of the trade to this person, switch to that character, and trade with that person again. This should not have to include other people just to send things within your own account. Please consider changing this. :)

The game is mostly built around people having one character, simple as that. It's not really meant to be played like WoW in which people have alt armies.

It's not that nobody has figured out how to make the mailbox account-wide... not sure why you'd think that. They purposely made it so you are unable to send stuff to other characters under the same account.

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Originally Posted by Miya_Carbuncle

The game is mostly built around people having one character, simple as that. It's not really meant to be played like WoW in which people have alt armies.

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FFXI says Hi. Sending to alts/mules would alleviate many problems in inventory space (just like in XI), yet since that space comes at a price (extra retainers) its why its a such a pain in-game for alts. Their only excuse is RMT, which by now, we all know didn't do jack to stop them in the slightest.

i'd like an account-wise deposit bank/armoire/whatever if the account-wise mooglemail can't come to reaility

Yeah I wish we could. I need to use my FC chest to give my alt stuff, or ask a friend to send them to her.
And my 3rd character isn't level 50 yet so would be nice if I could send her some gear so she will do better in dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Miya_Carbuncle

The game is mostly built around people having one character, simple as that. It's not really meant to be played like WoW in which people have alt armies.

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And yet, they allow you to make multiple characters on your account without buying another character slot so seems to me they are aware that alot (not all) of players like to have multiple characters. Adding the ability to send mail to these same account characters should go along with this. All I am asking is the ability to eliminate the middle man as it were.

How to exchange items between alts

• make the receiving character's retainer sell 1 trash at unreasonable price (how much, see below)
• buy that trash with the sending character
• sell the items you want transfer, with unreasonable price
• go back the receiving character, and buy them with the Gil you got from previous sell
• done

If you take care the market the retainer is, you also avoid fees.
If someone else buy your things, you also make a profit. Win-win situation.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

How to exchange items between alts

• make the receiving character's retainer sell 1 trash at unreasonable price (how much, see below)
• buy that trash with the sending character
• sell the items you want transfer, with unreasonable price
• go back the receiving character, and buy them with the Gil you got from previous sell
• done

If you take care the market the retainer is, you also avoid fees.
If someone else buy your things, you also make a profit. Win-win situation.

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This idea is terrible. I've done it, no thanks! I want to eliminate the middle man, not create more steps lol. I'm looking for efficiency. :P

Unfortunately the most effective way I've found is to own your own FC and house and just have them both added to it so you can trade freely Via the company chest. Most small FCs with plots on my server go for 5-6m and that doesn't take long to make. Few weeks at most, even without crafting.

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Originally Posted by Theonekitten

This idea is terrible. I've done it, no thanks! I want to eliminate the middle man, not create more steps lol. I'm looking for efficiency. :P

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I did replied to the OP, sorry if you got that was a reply to you. The method is all the OP were requesting, does not include third parties.

But yes, as long as a method exists, it will be good ask a simpler system as a QoL improvement, easier methods are welcome.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

I did replied to the OP, sorry if you got that was a reply to you. The method is all the OP were requesting, does not include third parties.

But yes, as long as a method exists, it will be good ask a simpler system as a QoL improvement, easier methods are welcome.

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Yeah I'm the OP. I guess I should have been a little more clearer. :) My bad lol.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

How to exchange items between alts

• make the receiving character's retainer sell 1 trash at unreasonable price (how much, see below)
• buy that trash with the sending character
• sell the items you want transfer, with unreasonable price
• go back the receiving character, and buy them with the Gil you got from previous sell
• done

If you take care the market the retainer is, you also avoid fees.
If someone else buy your things, you also make a profit. Win-win situation.

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You can only avoid the buying tax, you cannot avoid the selling tax. If you sell something on the market board for 100 gil you will only get 95 gil for that item, regardless of where it's sold or bought from. Your unreasonable price will be losing 5% on each item you sell (so twice on that one item to get the trash item sold and the real item sold in your example) which can get VERY expensive, depending on just how unreasonable that price is. I strongly recommend the free FC chest method or a very trustworthy friend.

Personally, I still use my buddy pass account from my 1.0 days as a mule account. There was no mail and no FC chest system back then (only linkshells and direct trades and market wards). It's expensive now that I have to actually pay for both accounts (I started it when there were no subscription fees then just couldn't let them go when that stopped) and I still can't mail things directly between mules on the same account, but it's safe and easy-ish and it works.

I'd really love account wide item storage/transfer options though >_<

the reason you can't send things to alts isn't a purposeful thing, it was a result of two things that they just decided to roll with because it's simply not relevant to the majority of players:
1) You can only send mail to people on your friends list, as a means to avoid RMT spam clogging the mail system.
2) You can't make friend requests to offline players, to avoid the same thing as #1 as well as just general abuse.

They could change it, but there's just simply not that much incentive on their end to do so.

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Originally Posted by kyuven

1) You can only send mail to people on your friends list, as a means to avoid RMT spam clogging the mail system.
2) You can't make friend requests to offline players, to avoid the same thing as #1 as well as just general abuse.

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And I fully understand those reasons for having those restrictions... But surely there is some sort of code inside a character that tells SE which subscriber the character belongs to? There should be some way to utilize that common subscriber ID tag to add them to the list of possible mail recipients.
Or to allow some sort of account-wide storage facility - to avoid "OMG EXTRA INVENTORY!", limit it to 25 spaces or something. Enough to make transfers and store a few commonly used items (clear prisms + prism crafting mats, anyone? or potions/food?), but not enough to clog up the servers /too/ much with extra storage space. Heck, even just five or ten slots would go a long way to alleviate middle-man frustrations ^^;

You are getting it wrong.

In fact, the stability of the entire game economy is build on the fact that nobody is able to flood the market with thousands of items.

Crafting 1000 items is not really difficult. If everybody would put 1000 pcs on the market, the market would collapse.

Moreover, the more storage space, the less you would sell. That would greatly slow down the economy. Like in the real world in 'times of crisis', everybody would keep all resources till he needs them, so no one would sell.

That's the reason why the retainer space is so limited, and why you cannot easy sell using your alts.

By this, independently of how good you are crafting, your amount of items that you are selling is strictly restricted - and everybody gets the chance to sell.

Actually, the choice QE made is very well balanced. The market is very active. The prices are moving quickly and everybody can find items to sell at good sell/production cost ration when doing a bit of research.

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Originally Posted by kyuven

the reason you can't send things to alts isn't a purposeful thing, it was a result of two things that they just decided to roll with because it's simply not relevant to the majority of players:
1) You can only send mail to people on your friends list, as a means to avoid RMT spam clogging the mail system.
2) You can't make friend requests to offline players, to avoid the same thing as #1 as well as just general abuse.

They could change it, but there's just simply not that much incentive on their end to do so.

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Also, it IS a little by choice.

If we could easily mail items to alts, then we'd need less storage on our characters...which would be buying additional retainers would be less enticing=SE makes less money.

So yeah, what you said...but also, they make more money by not allowing you to mail items between account characters.

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Originally Posted by Pumukel

By this, independently of how good you are crafting, your amount of items that you are selling is strictly restricted - and everybody gets the chance to sell.

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Theres no restriction on selling numerous items over alts at all. GC bank to trade to alts, pass to a friend, friend trades to alts. Wheres the limitations there? There is none. Thats possible 20x4 per char. 8 chars. overall 640 slots. There is nothing stopping players getting items to those alts.

There are 2 easy ways to bypass the ability to mail to an alt, so no reasons whatsover to keep enforcing the no mail to alts.

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Originally Posted by Theonekitten

And yet, they allow you to make multiple characters on your account without buying another character slot so seems to me they are aware that alot (not all) of players like to have multiple characters. Adding the ability to send mail to these same account characters should go along with this. All I am asking is the ability to eliminate the middle man as it were.

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Actually it's not quite that simple. The base monthly price (and lowest non-legacy) includes only a single character per server. If you wish to make more than one character on a server you have to pay a higher monthly price.

I guess it all will be solved, just automatically adding your alt in the friend list of your other characters in same server.

But I guess main reason is avoid RMT easily transfer all Gil to a main hub.

Agreed op, its mind blowing in a modern mmo that they punish players for their fear of RMT.

The endless tells I receive hourly for months on end, the maxed out bl, surely points out that this limitation is not solving anything.

I don't mind their current idea of "must be on fl in order to mail"....although at times I would have loved to have mailed some gear to a new player who looks like they were struggling, I can imagine if this was removed we would not only have endless tells from rmt but mails as well so that restriction actually is helping us. But not to be able to mail to ones OWN characters is ridiculous.

They allow us to have 8 characters/server!....we should without hesitation, be able to easily, freely, mail to ones own account ....period.
Rethink the "logic" of that please SE...and remove this restriction.
tyty :D

It's been officially stated before that this is a limitation to help circumvent RMT activity.

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Originally Posted by Kio

It's been officially stated before that this is a limitation to help circumvent RMT activity.

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However it does no such thing. We know the RMT are on several accounts at once, at times multiboxing entire full parties unto themselves. They can simply trade the gil between accounts (and back again if needed) freely and safely. Once again, it's only the legitimate players who suffer for this, not the criminals.

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Originally Posted by mbncd

However it does no such thing. We know the RMT are on several accounts at once, at times multiboxing entire full parties unto themselves. They can simply trade the gil between accounts (and back again if needed) freely and safely. Once again, it's only the legitimate players who suffer for this, not the criminals.

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Having to trade does greatly limit their efficiency however. You can only trade a maximum of 1million gil at a time. This means they need to make 300 trades to exchange 300mil. This time adds up and gives SE more time to catch them as well as makes it harder for the RMT to keep the main hub filled and at the ready.

It may not seem like much on the surface but think of it as a ripple. One hurdle can greatly slow the process and allow other things to happen.

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Originally Posted by MartaDemireux

Having to trade does greatly limit their efficiency however. You can only trade a maximum of 1million gil at a time. This means they need to make 300 trades to exchange 300mil. This time adds up and gives SE more time to catch them as well as makes it harder for the RMT to keep the main hub filled and at the ready.

It may not seem like much on the surface but think of it as a ripple. One hurdle can greatly slow the process and allow other things to happen.

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I didn't know of that 1mil limit. Does it also apply to mail?

Edit: I just checked the answer to that question and yes, it does apply that same limit to mail.

I think trades are faster than mails (if you don't count travel times which could be longer or shorter depending on where the character is and where the closest useable mail box/moogle is) so you could probably do 2 trades in the time it takes to do one mail. That negates the time saved of sending 300m to an alt via mail slightly.

Also, if they are multiboxing across so many characters at once, they probably don't even need to send to alts on the same account.

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Originally Posted by Kio

It's been officially stated before that this is a limitation to help circumvent RMT activity.

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Which has basically done nothing to stop the RMT activity. Of all the MMOs out there, FFXIV has the least efficient way of managing RMT. There is such a thing as going too far, and by limiting players on their OWN account, they have in fact done that. As mbncd has said, this only hurts legitimate players with a single account, not the RMTers who have multiple ones.

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Originally Posted by Theonekitten

After all this time, why is it still not possible to send items ingame to other characters on your same account? Why hasn't someone figured out how to set this account wide yet? Come on SE, it would make things so much easier if you allowed this, instead of the trade to this person, switch to that character, and trade with that person again. This should not have to include other people just to send things within your own account. Please consider changing this. :)

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Sadly, it's not a matter of SE figuring out how to do this; they've made it clear they don't want this allowed. You used to be able to get around the imposed limitation and SE "fixed" it.

Terrible decision, but don't think for a second that it's just some system limitation.

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Originally Posted by Theonekitten

Which has basically done nothing to stop the RMT activity. Of all the MMOs out there, FFXIV has the least efficient way of managing RMT. There is such a thing as going too far, and by limiting players on their OWN account, they have in fact done that. As mbncd has said, this only hurts legitimate players with a single account, not the RMTers who have multiple ones.

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And that's a great reason that terrible decision should be reversed.