Have each boss in WoD drop 2 chests per party.

Perhaps this is a strange suggestion. But you know what? I'm gonna make it.

Have each boss in WoD drop 2 chests. Right now, there's a huge gear saturation with all the jobs and shoving them into 4 chests basically means that we have a low chance of ever seeing the items we want.


For example, I have friends who have killed a specific job 45 times seeking a piece. That is just -too much- in my eye, for a single boss, to try and farm it to get that drop. In fights where there's only a possibility of 5 items, that can be attributed purely to RNG. But here? Here it is because there is just... too many items in the game right now.

I think it would help alleviate it to have MORE items we have a shot at, effectively doubling our chances.

And I think this would help alleviate so many problems that come with it. Right now, WoD is a mindless grind of people who randomly start spewing vitriol at anyone for anything. It's because people are becoming frustrated. They want "Their loot for the week", they want to be -done- with the area. This is sadly a very telling sign of how it's design - that it's possibly not getting fun for them and they need to step back.

There's less gear in WoD than there is in Coil; not sure if it is half as much, but it's close.

One chest per party per boss makes sense when the loot pool is about half as big.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

There's less gear in WoD than there is in Coil; not sure if it is half as much, but it's close.

One chest per party per boss makes sense when the loot pool is about half as big.

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There's a single boss in each TURN of coil. Thus, you cna choose what you want to farm and easily blitz it down. There's no such choice in WoD - it's all or nothing.

The difference is in completion time. I don't know any coil turns that could take more than 30min on a one-shot. Meanwhile WoD will likeley take -at least- 30 minutes, most likely 45-1 hour. It's quite the time commitment if you want only one specific drop.

Edit-in: Though you're right, there is slightly more gear with Coil. Not much. Enough to cover Healing, Slaying, Aiming, Fending, and Casting (5) accessories * each 4 = 20 accessories. It's a little bit of a wider pool, to be sure.

It's the second day of the 3rd lockout since WoD released...

Give it 2-4 more weeks and it won't have a lockout anymore.

I know that isn't really about your issue but...I'm just trying to make a point that this is how CT has worked since it's release I don't see why they need to change it now.

Or they can just do what I do que in fight to the boss that you need said item from and if the boss doesn't drop it then straight out leave group and do something else while waiting for the 30 minute wait timer to expire.

It is how it worked back in CT...however in WoD there was ROG NIN specific gear was introduced to the loot tables.

Ultimately, this lowered the chances that someone would get the gear they wanted.

Personally, I think it's borderline...fine. But with more classes and jobs being introduced a change might be due.

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

There's a single boss in each TURN of coil. Thus, you cna choose what you want to farm and easily blitz it down. There's no such choice in WoD - it's all or nothing.

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Don't forget FCoB isn't farmable the way WoD is. If you clear a turn once, you get no loot till the next week even if you didn't get anything from your clear. You don't even get to see what loot drops on your 2nd clear and beyond even if you go in in a one chest party. While it might be a single boss, the loot isn't the same at all.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Don't forget FCoB isn't farmable the way WoD is. If you clear a turn once, you get no loot till the next week even if you didn't get anything from your clear. You don't even get to see what loot drops on your 2nd clear and beyond even if you go in in a one chest party. While it might be a single boss, the loot isn't the same at all.

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The very best gear in the game, yea, I can understand having that "Wall" there. But we're talking about farmable (At least to an extent) content. A more apt comparison is to the Second coil of Bahamut, where you can enter infinitely and farm what you want. Each of those fights, aiming for a piece of armor, give two chests at a time, and again - they are dungouns that, with a good team that knows what they're doing, takes less than 30 minutes each time. Compare this to WoD, where people are going hardcore farming the fights they need multiple times in a potentially hour-long process, and you can see why I suggest making it a 2chest/boss setup (to help increase loot distribution and % chance.)

I understand the comparison between WoD and Coil loot, but let's not forget that Coil drops items that allow you to upgrade gear to i130 as well. And those can be used by anyone. There are 11 items in the chest for the 2nd boss in WoD. That's just too much for such a long instance. I know a bard that went 30+ runs without even seeing the bard chest, and even then, lost it to another bard. This frustrates people and causes them to run up to a point and then leave if they don't see their drop. 2 chests wouldn't have any negative impact on the raid, so I don't see why it could be a bad idea.

im about to do around 40 runs in wod and i have still not seen the tanking body i mean wtf do another 40 runs before i see it?
f rng ... so yea extra chest will give extra chanse drop something

While I think most of us agree it would be nice to get double the chests per boss down, it would inevitably kill the place twice as fast which isn\\'t in SE\\'s best interests. The idea behind getting one piece a week and having 4 chances to even see one per dungeon is specifically so you don\\'t just walk in and walk out. That doesn\\'t include those that bail when they don\\'t get the one piece they came for. It keeps us running through there to get what we\\'re looking for and that in turn spins the wheel that ensures people getting to the WoD portion of Crystal Tower later will still have a fair wait timer.

It\\'s relative to every single thing you do in this game. SE purposely makes people go through the content lots so that the content won\\'t be dead for new players when they get there.
And as it\\'s been stated before - soon enough the loot restrictions will be lifted on the place and you can go ham on trying to gear up your alts.

The chests in the expert dungeons should also be doubled. I don't have seen the new ninja body, yet.

It's funny... 2 chests per boss in expert dungeons, 2 on Coils, but 1 per alliance per bosses... funny eh?

Expert dungeons drop gear and crafting materials, so you'd still get screwed over by RNG if you don't get the kind of gear you want.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Expert dungeons drop gear and crafting materials, so you'd still get screwed over by RNG if you don't get the kind of gear you want.

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didn't they adjust this in a recent patch?

I don't think we need an additional chest for drop, more than we need a looting redesign. There's been so many runs where loot just sat and rot. What should be done is allow other groups to roll on another groups loot IF all of said group passed on that drop. Make the drops visible to everyone, just don't allow them to be rolled on until everyone's passed on it.

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

didn't they adjust this in a recent patch?

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Adjusted as in one chest has gear and another chest has materials. So you can't have a run that has ZERO gear drops like it was in the past, but it will never be a case where both chests are all mats or all gear.

People keep mentioning unlocked WoD in a few weeks... What's the source on this? CT wasn't unlocked until the next big patch after release (so 2.2), and ST wasn't unlocked until 2.4. That means we'll probably have to wait until the next big patch for WoD to be unlocked. Maybe they'll do it with 2.55 or something since 3.0 is around the corner, but if they don't do it before 3.0, no one will be running it anyway unless the gear is still somehow relevant with the 10 level jump.

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Originally Posted by Aethaeryn

That means we'll probably have to wait until the next big patch for WoD to be unlocked. Maybe they'll do it with 2.55 or something since 3.0 is around the corner, but if they don't do it before 3.0, no one will be running it anyway unless the gear is still somehow relevant with the 10 level jump.

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I say only Carbontwine. They will add Carbontwine to WoD during 2.51 or 2.55. Don't expect the weekly lock getting unlocked before 3.0

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Originally Posted by Feyniphia

It's funny... 2 chests per boss in expert dungeons, 2 on Coils, but 1 per alliance per bosses... funny eh?

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Only the second boss has ever had two chests. First boss got another one in 2.5 that always drops mats and I can't remember right now if the last got a chest added or if there's only one that drops two things.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Adjusted as in one chest has gear and another chest has materials. So you can't have a run that has ZERO gear drops like it was in the past, but it will never be a case where both chests are all mats or all gear.

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The net result is still a lot more forgiving RNG for dungeon gear farm.

When Ct was first introduced it was always Bard and Monk gear, this time around with wod the trend continues, i do wod a few times a day and always 2 drops per run it is Bard gear, first loot is usually always healer gear.
Original Ct it had taken me around 60 or more runs for Crimson hat, wod i have yet to see blm hat drop once in my run, so yeah frustrating as ever.
Oh and i always loose rolls on the allagan stuff, yaargh

Had this not been the last major content raid-related patch, I'd probably say it's a bad idea, but since this is the last one before the new expansion, it really doesn't matter. Heck, I'd honestly think it'd be fine if it were 3 drops per with 100% chance for the pets to drop in each raid. Given that the new expansion is nearing with higher level caps, together with the fact there's no new info about doing older dungeons without DF pugs/premades, opportunities for obtaining these goods are essentially going to be rare.

Its kinda bs how se is getting lazy and just merging roles in gear pool. Sure it makes more sense as it'll = higher chance to drop due to smaller loot table but that means you have to roll against fellow roles.
Tanks have it easy as they are the ONLY tank in the party. Healers have to fight it out ALWAYS between each other unless they don't want it or have it already. Monk has their own set, drgn has their own set, nin has their own set, bard has teir own set? While blm and smn share theirs lol. ( WoD )