I remembered this scene from Family Guy, and I just couldn't resist turning this discussion into a thread.
Here's you guys (Hint: You're the donkey lol)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvSjiq1pLVY
All pros and cons aside, why do people refuse to acknowledge the similarities between XI and XIV?
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08-22-2011, 04:27 PMKhal_DrogoCalm Statement: XIV sure has a lot in common with XI -Reply: NO IT DOESN'T; NUUH!!
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08-22-2011, 04:33 PMBeePee
Wow, very grown up thread you have here. Obviously you're not trying to get a discussion going here, you're nothing but an obvious troll.
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08-22-2011, 04:35 PMAzurymber
because there are not many similarities.
1. you couldn't really solo well in ffxi. You can solo amazingly well in ffxiv
2. while both games have 3 nations. FFXI's nations were crazy psycho magic users, stuck up royalty, and technology based industrialists with a god-controlled center-city. FFXIV's nations are pirates, mercantilists, and forest protectors, with a religious-fanatic center city.
3. FFXI had a class-specifc (+sub job) battle system and FFXIV has a cross-class battle system.
4. FFXI was story-heavy and had detailed quests, FFXIV is grind-heavy with simplistic 'run here kill run back' quests
5. FFXI was open-world based with an emphasis of competition, FFXIV is instance based with practically 0 competitive activitiees
I could keep going..... very different games. Doesn't mean they will stay different. But very different at the moment. -
08-22-2011, 04:36 PMtoshimoog
It does have a lot in common. I loved FFXI and that's the reason I wanted to start playing FFXIV. I'm one of the guys who actually wishes that it was more like FFXI. Square Enix was due for another MMORPG, since FFXI needed an upgrade on graphics and a fresh new world. It doesn't mean that the game has to be identical systematically. It doesn't have to have subjobs (although subjobs have been cool since FFV), it doesn't need BCNMs (but it could make a similar feature, those were always fun), etc. I really think this game needs to use FF's traditional job system, that would really add that FF punch back into the game. And you can't say that it would be ripping off of FFXI, because FFXI ripped its initial job selection straight from the original FF.
In short, it should borrow from most of the ideas that made FFXI successful, while being aware of what made the game boring or annoying. They don't have to be identically implemented, but at least something similar, so us FFXI fans can feel something nostalgic about this game, while still being able to play a NEW, more upgraded online FF game with nice graphics and fresh feel. -
08-22-2011, 04:37 PMKhal_DrogoI'm just tired of seeing the same spam in every thread when ppl mention FFXI. Why can't ppl be objective? What is SO wrong with mentioning XI...It was a GOOD GAME. Please for the love of God, just admit it, and let's try to find some middle-ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeePee
And, also, I actually thought ppl would get a kick out of the reference even if they "were" the donkey lol I know I would have. I do apologize if it came off as an "argument" provoker. I want a serious answer, though, please. Someone explain to me why former XI players aren't allowed to mention how good this game could be if it drew on SOME aspects of XI. Please... -
08-22-2011, 04:45 PMKeith_Dragoon
One thread was enough >.>;
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08-22-2011, 04:53 PMKhal_DrogoOh, c'mon Keith...you know it's hilarious lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Keith_Dragoon
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08-22-2011, 04:53 PMMicahZerrshiaHAHAHA I totally get what you are saying and that clip is a classic example of how some ppl can be. Hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khal_Drogo
But really you do have to admit there are simularities but there are in all final fantasy titles. Its what makes final fantasy, final fantasy. If you want to look real close at all the little parts, no there are not alot of things identical but if you look at the overall, then yes there are. So both groups are kindda right and kindda wrong.
Regardless of whether or not ffxiv and ffxi have simularities or not, ffxi was a fantastic game (before they introduced abyssea and magians anyway) and ffxiv, although starting off slow, is becoming a fantastic play. I have pretty much abandoned ffxi for ffxiv at this point so I hope they keep up the good work, and if they want to incorperate elements of ffxi (pre-aby) or ffv or ffiii that worked, go ahead. It will just make it feel more like final fantasy. -
08-22-2011, 04:59 PMKhal_DrogoThank YOU, Micah. Seriously, is it really going to kill ya'll to just concede in this one little area? I'm not saying FFXIV should be a freakin clone of FFXI, but why are ya'll all so opposed to taking good things from XI and putting it on XIV. Every time someone brings up one thing GOOD about XI, 347058235 ppl bring up 100 different BAD things about XI, as if the person was trying to say they, LITERALLY, want a clone of XI. I don't think ANYBODY from XI wants a clone. In fact, I would almost go as far as to say: Even the ppl still PLAYING XI hate that game lol There is SO much wrong with it, I couldn't cover it all in any 10 threads. So, the next time you all see someone mention ONE good thing about XI...Here's some advice: "don't be the donkey."Quote:
Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia
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08-22-2011, 05:09 PMBruceyBruceyBangBang
I agree that there are similarities between the two games specifically. I kind of love that about it though. When I first got information on this game, the same races, the similar looking styles, and environments.. I kinda thought that XI would tie into XIV as to explain these things. Then when it was clarified that these are two different worlds, I got a little confused by that.
I thought they should have always continued with XI with this game by finding out that Hyduria is actually Vana'Diel hundreds of thousands of years into the future. The races have evolved and changed and these characters are inhabiting the world after an event, naturally or man made, that almost wiped them off the face of the planet. This would have been a much more interesting approach than saying, "These are two different worlds, but with the same races and styling." If they were two different worlds, then make it so. They are most certainly not. That's why it's hard to detach from XI, the creative team dug their self into that hole.
The familiarity of the two games, or even the staple final fantasy mob, spells, and deities, are kept there to give admirers of the series a sense of comfort in what they are playing. You cannot have TMNT without Splinter or The Foot, you cannot have Superman without the threat of kryptonite, and you cannot have Final Fantasy without Moogles, Chocobos, Cactuars, or Blizzagas! Perhaps the intention was to have this new world give comfort to players who carried over from XI and leave a new impression on players who are new to the world in general. This is a safe assumption and one that can hardly be cast aside. It's right in front of your face. So, like what the OP is trying to say... so articulately and elegant I must say.... ignoring these things is sort of ridiculous being how so blatantly obvious it is. Embrace the similarities. -
08-22-2011, 05:15 PMKhal_Drogo
Well, I'm signing off for the night (off of the game, and off of the forum). I hope this thread doesn't end up doing more harm than good. I just wanted to let all the ANTI-FFXI ppl out there know how frustrated FFXI fans get, when our ideas get shut down just b/c we draw them from the good aspects of FFXI. Obviously, BeePee and Keith can't take a joke very well. I thought it was a pretty funny, and innovative way to communicate our frustration to everyone. Then again, this society is pretty up-tight, so I should have expected the "BeePee" types would be the first to speak up.
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08-22-2011, 05:20 PMKhal_DrogoQuote:
Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang
lol you got me back for one final, thank you. Glad to see you understood what I meant. Thanks for the support Brucey. I appreciate it.
~kk, night all! -for real this time -
08-22-2011, 05:48 PMKeith_DragoonThat link is funny but not quite hilarious but it is a somewhat accurate depiction of the attitude flowing around this forums lately. *goes back to lurking*Quote:
Originally Posted by Khal_Drogo
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08-22-2011, 05:57 PMweeble
lets make this a thread of all family guy links.
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08-22-2011, 06:34 PMSephr
Hey Family Guy, have you heard of it? It's so funny and new, I think it'll be big in the future!
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08-22-2011, 07:13 PMRazelollllQuote:
Originally Posted by weeble
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08-22-2011, 07:28 PMzaviermhigo
When the 2nd to 5th post of most threads is dedicated to calling the OP a troll, this has got to be a totally different form of trolling...."trolling while insinuating some else is a troll".
On a more serious note, there are FFXI similarities but people can't see past "omg its not exactly like FFXI so its not really like FFXI at all", the three starter cities/jeuno were all redistributed so that Uldah,Gridania,LL and Ishgard can be seen as amalgamations of Windurst,Bastok,San D'Oria, and Jeuno. But usually people are like "windurst =/= gridania"...no it doesn't you're right, but the isolation of LL is like Windurst, the winding mysterious nature of Gridania is like Windurst. Uldah is a combination of the nice layout of San D'Oria, and the desert nation aspect of Bastok, while LL having a almost castle like architecture and a dock system is much like San D'Oria. Jeuno and Isghard will probably share stuff like "multiple levels stack on top of each other"..maybe even a garden on top, but the fanatic religion reminds me of the Elvaan in XI from San D'Oria which seems loosely based on real life Catholocism.
The races are the same, but at least Roegadyn breed now and not reincarnate, they realized they didn't like being called "privateless" and such as Galka. I feel there is less of a flare per race now, and maybe that's because they added clans? I would really like to see each clan expanded on and have a really specific flare to their culture like XI there was a huge difference between the culture of Taru tarus and Mithra, but in a way they became intertwined. I would like to see more of this "we're really different in our past, but this is why we're all together now"
Some are good changes, some are steps back. For example XI and XIV both have linkshells, but due to some vague idea of a player companies from way back in the day, which didn't translate to new dev team well, we now have linkshells with half or less of the options that FFXI linkshells did. I should be able to see where all members of my ls are, I should be able to set an lsmes...little things like this. Don't hold out on linkshells just for some vague notion anymore. Player companys should be more like a connective guild system like SWTOR (3 alliances with other guilds), not just oh "more members and more features but basically like a ls), player companies should also have a way to combine resources effectively, but essentially a linkshell should have this to so we can practice in lil league to get to the big leagues if you know what I mean.