Relic weapons QoL changes

I think it would make a lot of people's lives a lot better if you could make certain quests in the zodiac chain NOT require being equipped with the relic weapon in question.

Do you realize how much of my life would be saved waiting in Que's if I could do my books on a tanking job? Not only would it save me like 2 hours in the DF waiting as the job in question but it would put more tanks into the pool and speed things up for everyone.

Next point, farming Atma's or Alexandrite from Fates. Wouldn't everyone be getting a lot more done if they could farm atma's as another job? Get Atma's and Alex at once, or level a lower job while farming either of them?

It drives me nuts doing these sorts of things so ineffectively and has driven me to quit in the past out of frustration. I think people would get a lot more enjoyment out of doing these things if they felt they were getting more out of their time.

Happy players keep playing. Annoyed ones don't.

I get why they do this. To keep people grinding. So we dont get them too fast, but these things are very frustrating. I myself thought oh my god i'm never doing this again when i did my first weapon. But keep people happy and theyll keep playing, and maybe more people would do more weapons. Happy people keep playing, frustrated annoyed ones quit.

I love that they've catered to the casuals but seriously can we stop with the watering down ?

You do realize people did this when i60-80ish was the norm

When ATMA drop rate was like 2%

You do realize people did this when books were still 1500 myth and fate respawn times were like 4-5 hours

Where Alex was pretty much only obtained through dailies and seldom a fate or seals ?

When Light wasn't doubled


O/

I raise my hand because I'm one of those people, and I'm not an elitist by any means but enough is enough they've done ample amount of things to ''cut'' down the grind to where people like me in my position are like ,yeah we got our weapons, but boy do I wish these changes were out when I was grinding

Tough it up, take your que time, and farm for seals for Alex and do your quest.......

Happy Players Keep Playing....annoyed players that are only annoyed doing a grind they truly don't have to do either craft or go do FcOB for a high end weapon......

What do you want them to do nerf a nerf ?

/end rant

no hard feelings

*annoyed zodiac owner that is all

Honestly I'm not looking for a nerf to it, but two ideas I'd like to see added in is to allow alex/alex maps or other relic items sold by a goblin in each beastman stronghold for the respective currency for that area. I see the currency on the market boards, but it really has no use atm. The other idea i tossed around was selling alex/ alex maps for company seals.

I understand where people who have worked their asses off and gotten their zodiacs would be annoyed if it were made easier. What I'm shooting for here isn't to make it easier exactly, but more to streamline the process so it doesn't feel like I'm wasting my time.
There are always those people who will say there's nothing wrong. I just think it could be better and should be better than it currently is.

If you paid attention to the lore for the relics, those were monster defeated by the zodiac braves using that weapon. You would essentially get credit for killing something with a completely different job even, so no, that won't happen, it goes against all the lore completely.

I would like to see some changes to the Alex/Alex maps, either letting people who party up all get an Alex for each map, or selling them with different vendors, as mentioned above. I've done 300 fates as of today post-buff on Alex drop rates, and have not gotten a single one, as either pld with novus, or blm with animus

I have 2 novus, working in #3, so I have done the grind.

Less RNG bs. I'm tired of no zodiac drops after running 20+ of the same dungeon.

While I sympathise with people who worked through the relic quests pre-nerf, you also have to consider that by completing each stage (assuming you did it when it was released) meant you would then have a relevant weapon for that patch. So although in it's entirety the relic questline was long and arduous, you actually only really did one new stage each update and got a relevant weapon.

Anyone now just starting to do their relic has to do ALL the stages before getting a relevant weapon, because previous stages give ilvl weapons you can easily obtain elsewhere, which is why they needed to nerf the quest otherwise why would anyone spend all that time when they can grind bcob for better weapons?

To summarise, I agree that there needs to be some streamlining of the process on the grounds that only the final resulting weapon is worth anything.

The atma stage really isnt that bad anymore, even if you have to do it with your relic equipped.

The alexandrite stage would benefit greatly from letting you play another class while you grind fates though. Theres nothing wrong with making earlier stages of long quests easier for people to catch up within a reasonable time period.

Relic quest is ok now....I did it all for the 2nd time in January ( atma-zodiac ). Getting animus books is ez now, doing the books still sux. Maybe decrease the amount of books? Novus was....ok I guess. And with the soldiery boost in 2.5, and boost to hunts, this SHOULD be laughable. Nexus shocked me though. This is what made me go crazy 1st time around with boredom. But a 50% nerf was just right imo.


U gotta remember, when we did these relic quests upon release, we got an amazing item. U done nexus upon release? gratz, u now got bis. Done nexus recently? Gratz, u got an outdated piece of crap, ofc it deserved it's nerf.

Either they are gonna have to repeatedly nerf each relic stage ( any reasonable person should be able to see the justification for this, what was good then, SUX now ) or else....they scrap the relic totally and give us a whole new quest in heavensward. maybe this amounts to more or less the same thing, but some people are touchy over it.

Because when all is said and done, ppl aren't gonna farm atmas when the latest tomestone weapon in CT 2000 is ilvl 048284048204.

I completed my WHM zodiac by my WAR, tbh, I am very unhappy for this as now relic lost it's identity.
I completely agree previous stages should be nerfed but I don't agree let players process in other job.
For example if you can use GSM craft and turn in item to obtain LTW's supra tools, would it be a QoL?

Well considering it had taken me 4+ months to get all 12 atmas before 2.4, and with 2.4 i had my Full atmas, and Animus weapon for Ninja within a week and a half so that portion is waaaaay easier now.
Light farming though has been dreadfully long

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Originally Posted by UmbralCross

Do you realize how much of my life would be saved waiting in Que's if I could do my books on a tanking job? Not only would it save me like 2 hours in the DF waiting as the job in question but it would put more tanks into the pool and speed things up for everyone.

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Except that this doesnt fit the lore (like already said) I also dislike this specific idea because for me running those dungeons were actually some sort of "prove" or in some cases maybe another learning session - if I see a person with an Animus-weapon I assume they know that job pretty well and that defines my expectations I have on them. But what does that weapon mean if you didnt earned it by playing the job its for? For me that kind of weapon should also be a bit of a prove of your skill. It never will be that as much as I would like it - so please... dont take that little bit we've got away...

I'm utterly sick and tired of running idiot dungeons for a minute, itty bitty chance drop of a relic item. I've run snowcloak 30+ times, and STILL don't have my drop. RNG can burn in hell, and so can the person who came up with it. It's literally like the OLD atma.

You have all the time in the world to grind for your zodiac,
I'm about to miss my weekly WoD drop because the item I need refuses to drop after 20+ runs (thats 80 bosses).

http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...48b7cacc6c.jpg

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Originally Posted by moudoka

I'm utterly sick and tired of running idiot dungeons for a minute, itty bitty chance drop of a relic item. I've run snowcloak 30+ times, and STILL don't have my drop. RNG can burn in hell, and so can the person who came up with it. It's literally like the OLD atma.

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Of course it is; it's engineered to be that way. Consciously.

Up to over 40 runs of it. If they want to make people utterly loathe and hate dungeons, it's working. Seriously giving though to ending my subscription over this atmarng bullcrap.

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Originally Posted by ZhycranaDranix

I love that they've catered to the casuals but seriously can we stop with the watering down ?

You do realize people did this when i60-80ish was the norm

When ATMA drop rate was like 2%

O/

Tough it up, take your que time, and farm for seals for Alex and do your quest.......

Happy Players Keep Playing....annoyed players that are only annoyed doing a grind they truly don't have to do either craft or go do FcOB for a high end weapon......

What do you want them to do nerf a nerf ?

/end rant

no hard feelings

*annoyed zodiac owner that is all

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Agree! I camped the zombie fate in south than due to "pop" rate for hours, I MEAN HOURS. I think the whole process took 38 hours for all 12.

But man I looked badass in my AF2 + Bravura Atma in the server sea of Zeniths. ;)

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Originally Posted by Iagainsti

But man I looked badass in my AF2 + Bravura Atma in the server sea of Zeniths. ;)

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The feeling of going to MD or now NT with your weapon Sheathed and every one viewing your gear is priceless haha ......

Zodiac Dungeon Phase;
Consecutive dungeon runs will now add an extra +2% chance of an item dropping on the next run. The chances will reset to the regular 1/9 after obtaining an item.

This the real QoL update I'm hoping for. I just finished my Relic yesterday with more than 140 total dungeon runs, while most of the ppl I know got theirs in less than 40. This change would make the current dungeon atma phase a lot more bearable for ppl having to do xy amounts of runs on single dungeons (30 runs on Dzemael hooray).

well if it would be 2% extra it makes it would make drop rate what, like 3% ?
lol
That quest was just absolutely awful and RNG ... ugh

The rate is 1/9 now presumably, so let's say 11,11%. If it gives you a +2% after every consecutive run, by 10 runs you would be at a 31,11% chance of a drop. After 44 runs the chance would be 99,11%, and at 45 it would be 100% which would be the *absolute* cap (although I don't see anyone ever getting that unlucky.

I wish Yoshi would understand I want to do other stuff in the game besides run snowcloak 30+ times. I think I would take original ATMA over this zodiac crap.