Smallclothes (An item suggestion for the developers)

The other day, some friends of mine held an eternal bonding ceremony. As a present for the brides, I made them each an HQ hempen pantlalettes & camise set, which I dyed pure white. (Well, those dyes were just sitting in retainer storage, anyway).

I had a couple of thoughts, though, as a result of making those presents.

1) Hemp isn't really a material that says "high value present."

2) People often write about wishing they could get one of the other racial versions of the smallclothes.

3) Crafters would love some more recipes.

It occurs to me that you could make the racial smallclothes fit the other races with a minimum of work, and call them by the names of increasingly difficult cloth. Say, cotton pantalettes, linen camise, vanya silk pantalettes? By the time you've gotten to 50, you've accumulated lingerie for all the racial variants.

In 1.0 we had different types of underclothes as well (cotton, velveteen, etc..), but when 2.0 launched they took away the underwear slot & cut it back to just the hempen since it wasn't mandatory to wear undergarments anymore & it would be just for looks. While I wouldn't be against this, I don't think they will do it since they took all those other ones out for a reason.

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Originally Posted by JeniLinsky

3) Crafters would love some more recipes.
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Why does everything need to be given to crafters? Why can't they just be bought? I'm quite sick of every piece of vanity gear being locked behind 50 crafts. Sure you can retort with "Just level up crafters to 50." But that's not the point I am trying to make. Crafters have almost every piece of vanity gear catered to them, for those of us who don't craft, we have to shell out a few 100k just to get the materials needed, which to me is annoying if you're trying to save up for your relic or an FC house. Why can't we just have an NPC sell them?

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Originally Posted by Lycelle

Crafters have almost every piece of vanity gear catered to them, for those of us who don't craft, we have to shell out a few 100k just to get the materials needed, which to me is annoying if you're trying to save up for your relic or an FC house. Why can't we just have an NPC sell them?

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...you really hate crafters so much you'll demand that they lose the ONE thing that they do best? It's bad enough you don't need crafters for anything important, let us have our non-essential vanity market.

I'm not saying vanities shouldn't be a primary market for the crafters, but on a server like mine which is simply rife with crafters, most new vanities (and relevant gear) become gated behind stupendous prices, and thus are only able to be enjoyed by only the wealthiest.

One option they could consider is to combine the ideas of the Eternal Bonding gear and the Bridesmaid/Groom formal gear. The formal gear CAN be crafted, but it's also for sale from an NPC. The EB gear has 2 different dye patters among its variations. Why not have a less expensive NPC version (still dyeable!), and the crafter version with perhaps a different dye pattern or more elaborate touches? Everybody wins that way.

Actually, the reason for the prices is the rarity of items involved, such as rare desynths from legendary fish or random chance from quick ventures, or possible loot from treasure maps. It's not JUST the crafters aiming for a profit. Now, making the recipe use more common ingredients (say, vanya at most) would still keep the price down while keeping crafters relevant

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

...you really hate crafters so much you'll demand that they lose the ONE thing that they do best? It's bad enough you don't need crafters for anything important, let us have our non-essential vanity market.

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*looks at gear that increases stats, food that assists in dungeons, housing items that can only be gained from crafters, looks at unique clothing sets you only get if you craft them* yea a few vanity items for PVE players isn't going to harm the monopoly you have with the market bored. some vanity items acquired without the use of crafters would be nice, like the glasses. theres so meny crafted glasses for vanity but only basic spectacles for pve. i find it funny how the goldsmith guild dons sell the glasses.

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Originally Posted by Lycelle

Why does everything need to be given to crafters? Why can't they just be bought?.... Why can't we just have an NPC sell them?

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The hempen set, the bridesmaid's set, and the best man's set are all sold by NPCs.

Many vanity glamors are from festivals.

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Originally Posted by JeniLinsky

2) People often write about wishing they could get one of the other racial versions of the smallclothes.

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Highlander F small clothes for Miqo'te please?

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Originally Posted by DracotheDragon

*looks at gear that increases stats, food that assists in dungeons, housing items that can only be gained from crafters, looks at unique clothing sets you only get if you craft them* yea a few vanity items for PVE players isn't going to harm the monopoly you have with the market bored. some vanity items acquired without the use of crafters would be nice, like the glasses. theres so meny crafted glasses for vanity but only basic spectacles for pve. i find it funny how the goldsmith guild dons sell the glasses.

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Aside from food, those are all rather optional (Barring materia melded shenanigans, best stuff comes from dungeons/raids anyway). And as others have said, there's plenty of non-crafted vanity options out there. The fact that the items you WANT are crafted is perhaps kind of the point: The thing about a market is that it's only the items people want that matter.

Plain and simple, you just have to accept that crafters have an advantage in certain areas. It's neither cheap nor easy to be a crafter... you'd think they'd get SOMETHING for the effort.

YES! Please, oh yes! As a roegadyn, I've banned myself from using the hempen set. I'm not into bikinis, even less into leather bikinis. I'm always drooling at the female elezen's hempen shirt version and am envious of miqo'te+midlander versions that fit with many outfits.

I always have to think long and hard how to get around that top dilemma. I pretty much play this game for vanity, whenever I raid or PvP, there's always a glamour goal in the back of my mind.

Agreed. I play a femroe currently cause I like being the biggest BA in a given raid/dungeon. On my pally, I have the hempen shirt paired with black goatskin pants, the thigh-high black maelstrom boots, and Odin's sword for a wicked warrior-woman look (my femroe rocks dreads too). I have a similar set up for my BLM, which I main, but I really don't like the shirt. I would love to wear the Miqo'te hempen camise (I played elezen for a while just for their hempen shirt; never actually glamoured it to any battle set - looks horrible with all the ridiculously high-waisted mage tights).

Furthermore, it seems as if much of the female gear in this game was modeled on the female Miqo'te body type and as a result, much of it looks funny on femroes (wedding dress is a prime example). Not all of us want to be forced to play skinny, short cat-girls just to look decent in gear. Please make stuff with other female races' body-types in mind!

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Originally Posted by Lizbet

--much of the female gear in this game was modeled on the female Miqo'te body type and as a result, much of it looks funny on femroes (wedding dress is a prime example).

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While I agree that most outfits look good on miqo'te/hyur, I don't quite agree on the wedding dress part. Imo, it's the best looking chest piece up to date, especially because the sleeves are normal, not puffy like other dresses'. If I could wear just the top part of it, I'd probably abuse it a lot in glamour. But as it stands, I don't want to fight in a wedding dress, it feels weird. And we already have 100 catgirls to do that.

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

...you really hate crafters so much you'll demand that they lose the ONE thing that they do best? It's bad enough you don't need crafters for anything important, let us have our non-essential vanity market.

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Yes. I do hate them that much.

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Originally Posted by Haprimac

And we already have 100 catgirls to do that.

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*sniffles* Does Hapri-san not like us M-m-miqo'te? ;;