Why did Summoner get Blizzard 2 when they already have a bind?

I just tried to use Blizzard 2 to get DPS and its.... not recommended. While it seems good in theory, it sucks up mana like nothing else. I think the idea behind Tri-Disastor was to bind enemies, then use Bane to affect all enemies (DoTs dont break bind). However since they usually resist, I never find myself trying this and the bind is almost instantly broken by other DPS the second it goes off. Blizzard 2 can be used as a means of holding off enemies when you get agro, though that never happens in my experience and they usually beat me down before I know what hit me.

I'd still rather keep blizz2 over Tri-disaster, just because it has lower cast time (1.94s vs 2.91s), takes less mp (212 vs 266) and does more dmg (50 potency vs 30 potency). Only thing tri-disaster does better is that its ranged but that doesnt really do anything, apart from Wolves den.
Blizz2 can be useful when theres group of trash thats just about to die, so its not really worth putting dots on them and doing 50 potency vs 2 targets is already better than spamming ruin (80 potency on 1 target). Boss fights, not so much.

Weren't SMN given Blizz 2 as compensation for removing Thunder? Or was it always an option?

It's pretty bad regardless.

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Originally Posted by Best-MNK-NA

Weren't SMN given Blizz 2 as compensation for removing Thunder? Or was it always an option?

It's pretty bad regardless.

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Yep. Its not amazing but usually not all crossclass skills are that good. I'd rather complain at about BLM and SMN getting Hawks eye. Omg dex buff. Since people already are above accuracy cap, the other side of the skill does nothing.

Or compensate for nerfing bane limited by 3 players. 2.0 summoner was really good wp speed runs cause no dot limitations.

Dont think it ever hit more than 3, just the range was increased by 3y but I could be wrong since im too lazy to dig up patchnotes.

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Originally Posted by mvenom

Dont think it ever hit more than 3, just the range was increased by 3y but I could be wrong since im too lazy to dig up patchnotes.

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Bane
Now correctly states that Bio, Bio II, and Masma are spread to a maximum of three targets.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...7af43f3c43828a

or did they only change tooltip for it?

Yeah, as it says, "Now correctly states that itzs spread to a max of 3 targets". That's not a nerf, its just retooling the tooltip.

To augment Summoner's small AoE capability probably. It's pretty niche; I saw a Summoner using it during the four Demon Walls in Amdapor Keep (Hard Mode).

A replacement for removing thunder to give Summoner's more AoE potential to piss Summoners off

On long fights, Blizz 2 is horrendous. But while doing trash mobs which will go down quick enough and you can get MP regen before the next pack, there's no reason not to.

Example. Sastasha HM. Tank pulls first two packs (most of the time). DoT > Bane > Swiftcast Shadowflare > Blizz 2 spam > Use last two AF on Energy Drai on the last add that's alive > AF move to next pack and repeat.

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Originally Posted by Akiza

A replacement for removing thunder to give Summoner's more AoE potential to piss Summoners off

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Thunder was worth only about 5% (Maybe less) of your damage back then. It was only worth using with Contagion. When Contagion is down, its was hard to justify using it for its MP cost.

Thunder was too op on Smn they had to replace it with something.

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Originally Posted by Wolfenkritter

Thunder was worth only about 5% (Maybe less) of your damage back then. It was only worth using with Contagion. When Contagion is down, its was hard to justify using it for its MP cost.

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Actually it was a good 12% nerf, because before the nerf summoner was top dps. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...MN-s-need-help

Thunder was removed from Summoner's for the sole reason that with Garuda you could Contagion and keep Thunder up. Which made Summoner's DPS fucking nuts as the end result of it.

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Originally Posted by Wolfenkritter

Thunder was worth only about 5% (Maybe less) of your damage back then. It was only worth using with Contagion. When Contagion is down, its was hard to justify using it for its MP cost.

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Thunder is/was 240 potency (18s dot so 6 ticks, 35 pot ticks, 6x 35 potency, 30 initial hit) skill for 212 mp, while ruin is 80 potency for 79MP, ruin x3 = 240 potency + 237 mp. So you are saying Ruin is also useless and not worth MP.

Even without contagion it was "cheaper" to use, not to mention all the breaks in fights let your mp regen anyway so MP wasnt issue.

But yea, mrhappy guide says it so people will believe it lol. He also says shadowflare is useless apart from opener.

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Originally Posted by mvenom

Thunder is/was 240 potency (18s dot so 6 ticks, 35 pot ticks, 6x 35 potency, 30 initial hit) skill for 212 mp, while ruin is 80 potency for 79MP, ruin x3 = 240 potency + 237 mp. So you are saying Ruin is also useless and not worth MP.

Even without contagion it was "cheaper" to use, not to mention all the breaks in fights let your mp regen anyway so MP wasnt issue.

But yea, mrhappy guide says it so people will believe it lol. He also says shadowflare is useless apart from opener.

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I dunno, I remember it murdering my MP. This was in T4 though... where I would cast it on everything that moves anyway so... eh.

I distinctly remember Mr. Happy's Summoner guide being completely terrible. I recall it promoted Ifrit use... back when Ifrit was even worse.

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Originally Posted by Lycelle

Thunder was removed from Summoner's for the sole reason that with Garuda you could Contagion and keep Thunder up. Which made Summoner's DPS fucking nuts as the end result of it.

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Yet they released the monstrosity that Ninja DPS was and still is with even less of a care for resources. Consistency is not their forte.

It's a replacement from thunder, but at the same time show how useless tri-disaster is. Ever since we can use Blizzard 2 it just shown no purpose other than just for bind....once. At that point the only big thing I kept asking is to buff it to be useful to replace blizzard 2 as a cross class. To AoE at a distance instead of closed in.

For thunder being contagion, I never really thought that it would work at the time, but potent poison pot seems to be the replacement.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

Yet they released the monstrosity that Ninja DPS was and still is with even less of a care for resources. Consistency is not their forte.

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I guess at the time they wanted all classes to be balance, then ninja came out. Dragoon need it a buff, so along with patching dragoon's magic defense they buff it's abilities as well. I have a funny feeling that the Dev team didn't know that buffing dragoon would make it so ridiculously good.

more AOE dps

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Originally Posted by Dwill

Yet they released the monstrosity that Ninja DPS was and still is with even less of a care for resources. Consistency is not their forte.

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NIN's run out of TP at the same speed if not faster than MNK's after their nerf in 2.45.

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Originally Posted by Wolfenkritter

I dunno, I remember it murdering my MP. This was in T4 though... where I would cast it on everything that moves anyway so... eh.

I distinctly remember Mr. Happy's Summoner guide being completely terrible. I recall it promoted Ifrit use... back when Ifrit was even worse.

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And funnily enough, Ifrit is now the stronger of the 2 summon choices for single target damage! He has been steadily buffed and is now extremely useful for many fights.