I was doing great but now I feel like crap

I've abandoned a party during a dungeon raid 3 times today

on the third time I was asked "why were tanking lessons needed this far into the game?" I've only been playing for a week but I shot up to lv.32 Paladin already, I'm keeping the enemies attention just fine so I don't really know what I'm doing wrong.

I'm sorry but there was no problem mentioned.....what's going wrong?

Did they mention anything you could work on ?

Are you dying?

Agro being stolen ?

Maybe you just had bad crowds , those happen.

Dying too much, like 7-8 times before the halfway point even though I did what they said and told them it was my first time through that dungeon. When all else fails insult the new player right?

It sounds more like a Healing issue if you're dying that much. Granted I don't know what dungeon you were running, but usually new Healers will give tanks shit if they take too much damage. Like wise it's your job to tell the Healer to step their shit up in terms of Healing if you're always sitting dangerously low in HP.

Can't comment in your playing, so I'll skip straight to gear (had a look see at your lodestone ^^) as you could have the perfect play style and gear is just holding you back~

You really should have some 'tanking' accessories equipped. Ones with vitality and parry stats. Your gear could do with some upgrading as well as some of it is 10 levels below what you are now :) Try to stay away from the gear that is shared with LNC/DRG as they aren't optimal for your class ^^

If you're dying too much it could be a couple of things. Firstly it's the healer's responsibility to keep you (and all others) alive. This could be tough if you're not dodging telegraphed skills/ spells or your gear is dated. Defensive cool downs shouldn't be specifically needed at any one point, though they're of course helpful. You could be pulling too much, but that's rarely an issue before 50. Typically people pull a single group at a time and I'll assume you weren't running through grabbing multiples. Aside from keeping hate tanks need to keep mobs still (mostly for MNKs at this point, but for DRG and NIN as well), but failing to do that generally just slows down DPS.

I'd have to go with either your gear not being good enough or your healer not being good enough as the most likely problems.

it was Brayflox's Longstop

A lot things factor into new tanks ''deaths'' and failures into dungeons


Dying is 50/50 on you and the healer and I actually put it at 75% healer seeing as you're the newbie.

1.)Take it slow, if you're pulling a mob just handle that mob , its a new dungeon for you and you don't know hard the impending attacks are going to hit so take it slow.


2.)Use your Defensive Cool Downs, this is pretty much tanking 101 right here. Healers jobs are to keep you alive but you also have to help them out by increasing your defensive stats throughout the dungeon by the use of abilities Rampart and Foresight should be two on hand at lvl 32 also using Convalescence helps out healers as well.

3.)Make sure you are geared appropriate. I forgot just about how much you should have as its been awhile but if your health even as a PLD isn't almost 200-400 hp above the next player then something is wrong. Check your iLVL and be sure you aren't wondering into a LV.32 dungeon under-geared

4.)Make sure you've used your attribute points in VIT, I know by this time I was all over the place placing DEX on my DRG and what not...Make sure you're allocating all your points into the right slot.

I got better gear (broke now), a better healer and managed to beat the area. Thanks everybody~

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Originally Posted by rjspencer4

it was Brayflox's Longstop

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Brayflox longstop is also a big tank and healer check, pretty much the first one of the game. it is in this dungeon that enemeies start to hit a LOT harder, and that healers need to start being more on their toes.

the first few times into it, you die a lot, and you learn a lot. good news is, though, that that is pretty much the biggest tank check until aurum vale, IMO, at lvl 47-49.

Yes, Brayflox's all-night cheese shop is the suck... it stopped me running dungeons for almost a month when I was a new player, my first run through it sucked so bad. During that month, I leveled Armorsmith, so I could make HQ armor at the highest level I could wear, and I made sure the right-hand equipment was all the best I could get as well. When I went back in there, I did fine.

I still hate when it pops up in Duty Roulette, though.

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Originally Posted by JeniLinsky

Yes, Brayflox's all-night cheese shop is the suck... it stopped me running dungeons for almost a month when I was a new player, my first run through it sucked so bad. During that month, I leveled Armorsmith, so I could make HQ armor at the highest level I could wear, and I made sure the right-hand equipment was all the best I could get as well. When I went back in there, I did fine.

I still hate when it pops up in Duty Roulette, though.

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Oh you made shiver there....
I'm start to do tanking, but mostly I will do it with my friends first before go to Finder.
Learn the mechanic and watch some vids.
But I'm not there yet so I can't say much.

Some general tanking tips (for the OP and those starting out tanking):

1) Be sure you know what MoBs are in groups before you pull - you'll see arrows between MoBs in a group.
2) If you notice your HP going a little low, pop some CDs.
3) Personally, before a group pull, I mark my targets so they know what MoB to focus DPS on in what order.

If you do that and use an occasional AoE to generate threat (or switch between targets with single-target enmity generation) you're doing pretty good for starting out.

I checked your gear on the loadstone and it is all over the place. You would be very squishy in dungeons. Make sure your jewelry is level appropriate, which right now is level 28, and it's primary stat is vitality. Right now you have some healer jewelry on, which doesn't help you. Also, try to choose armor that gives you the highest defense. Some of the tank gear is more dps oriented as dragoon shares some of the gear sets so just watch out for this.

Its not only the Gear.
Last Friday i was in Brüllvox with my lvl.34 Pld and got a lvl.32 Conjurer(not a WHM) Healer.
After i died the second Time on Yellow Pelican,i asked him for Cure II.
Answer:I dont have it.

We abandoned the Party after 5 Aiatar trys.No chance without Cure II.

Cure 2 is Level 30 CNJ. so he had it

It's not just a healer check. In Brayflox's the tank *does* need to be geared or even with the best healing gear, the tank just goes squish.

Someone already lodestone'd the OP so... OP, buy some whites from vendors that are your level or even see if you can find a nice crafter to make you some HQ gear. Now after that, it is on the healer to keep you alive.

OP - if you need any help or tips send me a tell, I'm on your server : D

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Originally Posted by Grotesque

Cure 2 is Level 30 CNJ. so he had it

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you have to do the 30 cnj quest to get it

Another large factor for their reaction could be the fact that a lot of people still really like the Battle Mage set that drops from that dungeon and have long since forgotten what they "first time" is like after running it 50+ times in some cases lol. But that being said, it is one of first real challenges for healers and tanks as well as mentioned before.

Brayflox is pretty make or break I think. Its the first dungeon where you really have to pay attention at all times, especially as a healer or tank! Plus it forces you to make sure your gear is in check. I remember when I first started running it, I was a CNJ and it absolutely terrified me. I would get nervous and a bit sweaty when the duty popped. There were plenty of wipes and quite a few abandons, it made me feel awful and pretty useless but its definitely a learning curve. If it wasnt for that place, i wouldnt be the healer I am today :cool:

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Originally Posted by JeniLinsky

it stopped me running dungeons for almost a month when I was a new player, my first run through it sucked so bad. During that month

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it's a relief to hear others also had a similar experience. I stopped leveling my WHM after this dungeon. We wiped quite a few times (I didn't even have Stoneskin available at the time) Fortunately healers were hard to come by or I'm sure they would have vote-kicked me off the team.

Not much I can contribute that hasn't already been said.... :( But maybe I can help with a bit of morale?

If it makes you feel better, I'm pretty sure Bray broke two of my FC mates, for a short while, the first time they went in as a new healer and new-player tank xD;
Bray is one of those dungeons, for new players (and some that are just experiencing either of those two classes but not new to the game), that seems like the first ever nightmare (don't worry. Bray will become nothing, and Aurum Vale will be your next nightmare ;). It's a dungeon that you need to be prepared for - gear, your class skills, your knowledge on your class.... As long as you run at a comfortable pace (doing or not doing larger pulls, etc) and able to perform what is expected (holding hate, getting out of AoEs, popping cool downs when you think you need them, pulling Aiater out of poison), then the rest is up to everyone else.
Honestly, as soon as I learned you were referring to Brayflox, it clicked - "oooohhhhh.... thats one reason why >.>"

Cross-classing skills that may help you is also a good idea (I cross skill Second Wind and Blood Bath (on melee only) with everything I can as backups) along with defensives that you may attain from either tank (in your case, from Marauder...). You may have to level some classes for those perks, but they're well worth it. :) Bloodbath as a marauder skill and Second Wind from pugilist has saved my ass so many times.
For tanks, the weapon is incredibly important for holding aggro, just as gear is incredibly important for defense/damage absorption.

If you need to farm more money for more gear, I'd suggest finding a crafting class you may find enjoyable and sell what you've made via retainers, or gather moneys via leves (you can also sell some of the gear the leves give you if you don't need them ;) ) and dungeons you know you can do easily.

Unfortunately, some players will try to find something to blame in their frustrations, regardless who is at fault. If you know you're doing everything you can, asking for help and trying to improve then that's a great start!

Try lvl other class in the same time, I think better you go as a DPS first.. do some observation and study them before you go as TANK.
You can go with your FC member and ask their guide, I go with my FC member for my first entry at each dungeons, asking them to guide me for TANKING mechanic.
I can't help much because I'm also new player.

I was terrified of Bry while leveling my first class, even as DD, I didn't want to queue it or anything to do with it once I managed to pass it, but it gets better believe me, once you do it so many times, and you learn and have practice with your CNJ/WHM it's not so terrifying - once I had to join in progress with scholar (didnt have WHM yet) and at that level I didn't have the "Leeches" (same as esuna) and had to heal double because I couldn't dispel - we survived! Now that I had my fair share of dungeons, Bry is not a problem for me anymore (I still don't like to heal it or tank it). But I do agree, try few runs with DPS class and watch the healer how they do it - it helped me.

1. Gears upgrade, try some battle leve quest, they will give gears.
2. SP gears and sell all materials for Gil
3. Spend some grand company seals for gears
4. /sh for help

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Originally Posted by Jobefuzz

4. /sh for help

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I think a party finder helps more as many ppl disable shouts (due to huntspam). So i found at one point a pf of a gladiator "Please help me tank through this" we went 2 tank and had a lot of fun ^^

The Scholar is my Main Class/Job and i try a new Dungeon always as Healer.
After 2-3 Runs i know how hard every Mob/Boss can hit and then i try it with my Paladin.
Aiatar as a White Mage is tricky...was missing my Scholar Aetherflow and running ooM sometimes.

Both Battlemage and Cavalry Sets looking realy good.
Im now at 5/6 Battlemage and 4/6 Cavalry.Need more Brayflox runs.^^

cnj and whm will oom if you over heal or if you need to constantly esuna, or people are lazy and won't dodge

add in that puddles are aimed at non tank members, idiot dps can leave no space for the tank to move it

fight is definitely easier on sch, eos doesn't oom and unless you only heal with adl, neither will you
sch doesn't need leeches because it effectively has cure2 fire the cost of cure1
and cure+stone skins love child

If you haven't already, if you're above level 30, you should really try to get your job crystal and become a Paladin. It boosts all your stats, and will help you fit better into your Tanking role.

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Originally Posted by rjspencer4

on the third time I was asked "why were tanking lessons needed this far into the game?"

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1) Damn, that's rude of them.
2) Bray is hard. And I mean -hard- especially for tanks and healers. I still dread having to go through it.

Advice:

- Be a paladin when doing 30+ content.
- Don't forget your oath.
- Update your gear. This doesn't always require money. They are levequests that reward gear; even if they are normal-quality only, it's still better than way-outdated gear. I once went through a Level 40 duty with a paladin who only had level 20 equips. He kept dying and then I was kicked out because I was "not DPSing fast enough to remove mobs from him". Pretty sure I could tank those mobs better than him what with my updated gear, but I didn't have aggro-holding skills.
- Dodge. Try to anticipate attacks and dodge them as they are casted.

as mentioned keep your gears uptodate especially at earlier levels, brayflox is the first real hurdle with new players especially the last boss the dungeons will just keep getting harder after brayflox do your class quests every 5 levels to unlock the sword/shield oath as soon as possible. keep an eye on the mob skills the more you do the same dungeon the more familiar you get with the mob skills and can predict when to use what defensive buffs, when you have done enough tanking it becomes second nature and you can even browse youtube or something while tanking!