Crystal Tower raid chain loot needs fixing.

So this week I've run World of Darkness 14 times. I only need 1 item from the entire raid, the Demon Bracers of Scouting from Angra Mainyu. 11 times the Demon Sash of Striking has dropped. And the Demon Gloves of Healing, Demon Sabatons of Fending and Demon Tassets of Fending have all dropped once.

Its gotten to the point where all these raids need to drop 2-3 items per boss opposed to the current drop rate of 1 per boss. Or a token system needs to be implemented for clearing the dungeon where everyone gets a token on the clear that guarentees you can buy the item you need from a vendor.

Anyone else agree?

2-3 items per boss...dang. Yea, let's do that coz it will help Q times immensely. Just because you haven't gotten 1 item in the runs you have done, does not mean that the whole system needs to be reworked. Let's say that they did allow 2-3 items to drop per boss, and the 1 item still doesn't drop. Need another fix?

I do not agree.

Tokens on the other hand, could work if done right, only if done right.

Just my 2g, but as I stated, I do not agree.

Token systems take out the fun of scoring awesome loot. I've stated in other threads i don't like the ideas of people who just want what they want now instead of having to work for me. I really wanted the casting robe and spammed WoD for days trying to get it. After a few days of god knows how many runs it finally dropped but 2 other BLMs in the run. Actually winning the roll after all that was awesome it was just my turn to have some luck. Even when it wasn't dropping or when i lose a roll it's frustrating but it's kinda fun too just playing the raid and getting better at it.

I've said this in another tread, but with more jobs, comes more possible unique sets. If the 1 item per boss continues late in FF14's life with several new jobs and gearsets, the system will only get worse as the game progresses. There have got to be changes made.

With RNG there will always be outliers who have bad luck with a drop. My first wod run on ninja I won the scouting bracers. Doesnt mean the system doesn't work. But at the same time I didn't get a single drop from coil since t7 until tues and I'm working on t12. Just bad luck.

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Originally Posted by Amelia_Pond_Behemoth

I've said this in another tread, but with more jobs, comes more possible unique sets. If the 1 item per boss continues late in FF14's life with several new jobs and gearsets, the system will only get worse as the game progresses. There have got to be changes made.

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There are already tons of sets that can be bought with tokens. The people who are throwing are fit are people who want one specific item because it's slightly better than the token gear in that slot and these are the people who should have to work for it if they want a drop so bad. If you need a full set of gear then you won't have to run nearly as much to get a piece you need. Though if you don't want to loot 120ilvl token gear exists already that is perfectly fine. If you want to maximize stats for your class with various gear then be prepared for some work.

There are plenty of options available even when new classes come for gear including token systems already in place so nobody will have issues. WoD gear isn't a need for people it's a want. For either stats or how it looks.

Mostly what I read here is that the BIS is not easily had with tokens, so let's put in a system that makes it easy for me to get all the best.

You have hunts, crafted gear and token gear already. Not to mention the primal drops are decent enough for starting out in coil.

It's more and more to me that people just need to accept that not everyone will be BiS.

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Originally Posted by MXMoondoggie

Token systems take out the fun of scoring awesome loot.

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'Fun' if you get it after maybe 5 runs. Frustrating when 20-30 times and not seeing the one thing you need (or anything that you could use for an alt Job) dropping at all. World of Darkness was fun the first time, but after maybe three runs, I found it boring (and I stopped running dungeons a month after 2.4 hit, so I need the i120 gear. Especially now that my static is in Final Coil). It's just another Syrcus Tower to me, though with at least one interesting trash mob (Atomos Prime).

I'd personally like to just see "Whatever classes your party consist of, a random piece of loot for said classes will drop" Because right now Lootucifer if having a lol-fest with Nin gear and no Nin in the party, Caster stuff when no Caster in the party. 1st boss, Nin, 2nd boss, Nin, 3rd boss, healer, Final boss Nin drops. And pretty much 97.8% of runs are like that.

I'm not upset because "what I want didn't drop" I'm upset because these runs, pretty much no one's getting anything, because they don't wanna waste their weekly roll on Nin gear.

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Originally Posted by Urtear

I'd personally like to just see "Whatever classes your party consist of, a random piece of loot for said classes will drop" Because right now Lootucifer if having a lol-fest with Nin gear and no Nin in the party, Caster stuff when no Caster in the party. 1st boss, Nin, 2nd boss, Nin, 3rd boss, healer, Final boss Nin drops. And pretty much 97.8% of runs are like that.

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I'm in agreement with this. More classes is more problems down the line if it continues to be a completely random drop system.

Why not just adopt the WoW model of LFR loot.

When a "chest" is opened, everyone automatically rolls independent of each other against a predefined threshold. If you roll higher, you are guaranteed a piece of gear out of the loot table which your current class can use. If you roll lower, you get some gil. In an extreme cases all 8 players can each get a piece out of the same chest, or all 8 get only gil.

It does mean that you can no longer get those unwanted pieces for your other classes, but from my experience in the WoW LFR, I rather like this trade-off.

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Originally Posted by MXMoondoggie

Token systems take out the fun of scoring awesome loot.

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I think you are confusing fun with relief. The relief that no matter how well you played and how much you contributed to the game you can finally stop doing this dungeon for this week and move on to others..

Just got my 39th run in WoD, only tank pieces I've seen drop are boots, which I have, and gloves, which I don't need. But that healer chest, and nin chest, or the demon calibre of striking, or the maiming circlet drop almost every run. I've seen the maiming circlet 4 runs in a row. Something with the loot system needs to change, in coil, the only piece I got before they opened it up to df was the HA fending headpiece after 2 months, but I geared up my blm just fine, hardly ever use it though.

The only thing that this game seems to make you do is grind endlessly, with such dismal progress that you don't even notice it. I mean, really, 2 months for 1 drop? It's stupid how bad the loot system currently is.

I think I seen all but the bard chest drop so far (My good bard friend i feel for you D: ) and I just recommend to NOT go for a single piece make it a 1/3 minimum and if you cannot get within 10 runs max grab whatever is an upgrade/glamour for offclasses.
I actually gear my sch with those lovely crits on WoD gear. Was first week lucky on my last minute run got gloves, last week friend passed skirt for me and this week just grabbed the healchest even if i wasnt after it. Its a nice glamour and a lil upgrade for my whm <3

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Originally Posted by Fenririon

I think you are confusing fun with relief. The relief that no matter how well you played and how much you contributed to the game you can finally stop doing this dungeon for this week and move on to others..

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Others like what? Spamming the same primal fight 100 times for the mounts? XD.

One game I played had a pretty good system for end game/raid gear. It was a semi token system. Tokens were used but obtained and used in two different ways. One raid only dropped Shoulder, head, and body Tokens. Also dropped a crafting item to make an excellent back piece. The other raid "dropped" access. There were five tiers/levels...what have you, that had to be beaten (in FFXIV's case as an example, defeat FCoB T1) to obtain a piece of that raid gear. Just defeating it however did not grant you the piece, you also needed to amass "currency" (such as our poetics) to purchase it. So it didn't matter if you farmed the hell outta the currency and were rich with it, if you did not defeat the raid to unlock access to the pieces you couldn't not buy them. Granted with our community that does not hinder the run purchasers one iota, but it would, IMO give a slightly more accomplished "feeling" to the players. To go week on week, month on month at times with no drop from an endgame raid, all the while being a winner with no reward is more than frustrating, insulting might be a good way to put it.

Things do need an adjustment, but we DO NOT NEED HANDOUTS.

Just my 2g

We already have a token systems, tomes let you choose a piece of gear every week. If i had to use a token system to gear alt jobs in WoD I probably wouldn't even bother. Tokens just end up with everyone having the same exact gear.

well wod is always like 2 pieces of Bard gear EVERY run, so yeah it is painful.
Last week it had taken me a full week for nin chest, and this week for blm hat it is looking to be about the same.
I do remember the original Crystal Tower it was the same thing, always Bard or monk gear, it had taken me approximately 80 runs for the crimson hat

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Originally Posted by CYoung187

We already have a token systems, tomes let you choose a piece of gear every week. If i had to use a token system to gear alt jobs in WoD I probably wouldn't even bother. Tokens just end up with everyone having the same exact gear.

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And that's a problem because...? Some WoD gear is pretty darn good for Final Coil, especially when the loot you want from Final Coil doesn't drop.

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Originally Posted by Urtear

I'd personally like to just see "Whatever classes your party consist of, a random piece of loot for said classes will drop" Because right now Lootucifer if having a lol-fest with Nin gear and no Nin in the party, Caster stuff when no Caster in the party. 1st boss, Nin, 2nd boss, Nin, 3rd boss, healer, Final boss Nin drops. And pretty much 97.8% of runs are like that.

I'm not upset because "what I want didn't drop" I'm upset because these runs, pretty much no one's getting anything, because they don't wanna waste their weekly roll on Nin gear.

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This 150%!

If the dungeons/raids whatever would recognize what's currently in play and the drops would be based on that, it would be WORLDS better. Rather than running said whatever instance/raid to see BRD stuff dropping and there has not been a BRD around for the past several runs...

And before someone starts with "Well I like the option of collecting gear for my other classes I have not leveled or will be leveling" I say to you: Play the class and pick up these items when they drop based on the team recognition/make-up...

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Originally Posted by Maero

I do remember the original Crystal Tower it was the same thing, always Bard or monk gear, it had taken me approximately 80 runs for the crimson hat

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I'm still looking for the Armor of Light in LotA ;_;

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Originally Posted by CYoung187

...Tokens just end up with everyone having the same exact gear.

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I see what you are saying, but currently, a majority of people, have the same exact gear.