tunnel vision

i realize it's a problem for some of you but please for the love of god work on it. it can make some runs really annoying.

example: in a levi ex run you have a ninja that has the wrong venom on and keeps stunning. you tell them to switch and you tell them again and again....and again. it takes nearly four or five wipes for them to finally switch and stop messing things up because they can't multitask.

actually i probably could have said ramuh and left it at that

I can't say I'm immune to tunnel vision, (ask the 1st boss in AK HM) but it can really wreck a run. Levi EX is a great example, if people are throwing out stuns all willy-nilly you're most likely fish food. My healer buddy has problems with tunnel vision, but a few strategic changes to the HUD has been a huge help.

Be more patient with them. 4 or 5 wipes is no reason to get upset and QQ about it. You are actually fortunate you got someone who learned it in 4 or 5 wipes and is trying adapt. You'll probably need more than 500 wipes to clear T9 with random people you find on the DF.

Why would you engage again until you've discussed what the issue was last time?
It shouldn't take another run for the ninja to notice you were speaking to him. But if you just jump right into the fight again it's not his fault for following suit.

At least the ninja remembered to put poisons on, this issue of poison getting removed each time you leave duty since 2.5(I don't wanna call it a bug since I'm not sure if it's an intentional thing or not) launched, 9/10 ninjas I group with (myself included from time to time) spend a good portion of the instance without poisons on because they're not used to having to keep thinking about it. But yeah, I agree with Canadane, if there's an issue, you should address it between wipes rather than just keep going over and over again with the problem persisting

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

Be more patient with them. 4 or 5 wipes is no reason to get upset and QQ about it. You are actually fortunate you got someone who learned it in 4 or 5 wipes and is trying adapt. You'll probably need more than 500 wipes to clear T9 with random people you find on the DF.

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4-5 runs to switch poison (which is just a toggle) after being repeatedly told to do so isn't trying very hard. It sounds more like the ninja was being obstinate.

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Originally Posted by lxChrisxl

example: in a levi ex run you have a ninja that has the wrong venom on and keeps stunning. you tell them to switch and you tell them again and again....and again. it takes nearly four or five wipes for them to finally switch and stop messing things up because they can't multitask.

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Besides the ninja poison vanishing between dungeons (guilty as well) I find most of the Crystal tower bosses tend to suffer from Tunnel Vision as well. I don't know if the phases last too long or if people just spam the fights too many times in a row but it's very very easy to just zero in on the boss and completely forget all of the other mechanics.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

Be more patient with them. 4 or 5 wipes is no reason to get upset and QQ about it. You are actually fortunate you got someone who learned it in 4 or 5 wipes and is trying adapt. You'll probably need more than 500 wipes to clear T9 with random people you find on the DF.

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i used to try and helped people with things like t5/9 in duty but i stopped for another reason other than tunnel vision but that's a different subject. it's just one example from one run though. multiply that and it gets really annoying. also QQ needs to die as a thing, so silly.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Why would you engage again until you've discussed what the issue was last time?
It shouldn't take another run for the ninja to notice you were speaking to him. But if you just jump right into the fight again it's not his fault for following suit.

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me and the tank told them to change multiple times before the tank would start the fight and during the fight. even explained why we were telling them to switch venom's and when they finally changed they said sorry and said they focus too hard and don't look at chat. which is a problem in mmo's

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Originally Posted by Ilitsa

At least the ninja remembered to put poisons on, this issue of poison getting removed each time you leave duty since 2.5(I don't wanna call it a bug since I'm not sure if it's an intentional thing or not) launched, 9/10 ninjas I group with (myself included from time to time) spend a good portion of the instance without poisons on because they're not used to having to keep thinking about it. But yeah, I agree with Canadane, if there's an issue, you should address it between wipes rather than just keep going over and over again with the problem persisting

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It was a bug, and has been addressed in the recent maint. thankfully

[QUOTE=Canadane;2740683]Why would you engage again until . . . .QUOTE]

As a tank, runs take too long if you let players argue in between each pull. Especially since people rage at each other in the same way that the OP originally phrased his post. I don't want people to start a fight and rage quit, so I would rather just pull again.

I haven't levelled NIN, but I fail to see how running the wrong buff on 1 DPS class would wipe even Levi Ex. One DPS isn't that important.

It is time for you to do your homework, O's guy above me.

Hint: Stun

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Why would you engage again until . . . .QUOTE]

As a tank, runs take too long if you let players argue in between each pull. Especially since people rage at each other in the same way that the OP originally phrased his post. I don't want people to start a fight and rage quit, so I would rather just pull again.

I haven't levelled NIN, but I fail to see how running the wrong buff on 1 DPS class would wipe even Levi Ex. One DPS isn't that important.

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stuns on Levi ex
have you done Levi ex?
not getting the stuns basically perfect is almost garunteed wipe

If you are pulling before the team can figure out what went wrong on a previous attempt and plan to fix it, you are just going to cause another wipe.

To the OP, make sure the person who you need to have change acknowledges it in chat. If they don't respond then you can't assume they will do it. If they just ignore you and don't respond... They are not a team player and don't belong on the team.

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Originally Posted by lxChrisxl

... and when they finally changed they said sorry and said they focus too hard and don't look at chat. which is a problem in mmo's

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Which is why it was pointed out that these discussions should take place between attempts, when there is nothing else going on except chat. That's the only time you can really expect anything you say in chat to be seen.

If, after the first wipe, everyone had stopped while you pointed it out, the NIN involved saw your message, replied to it, and acted on it, then you could have succeeded on the second try. The extra minute or two to actually stop everything else while discussing strategy can save far more time in repeated wipes. (Of course, this advice is mostly for tanks. If you weren't tanking at the time, you wouldn't have had control over this.)

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

Be more patient with them. 4 or 5 wipes is no reason to get upset and QQ about it. You are actually fortunate you got someone who learned it in 4 or 5 wipes and is trying adapt. You'll probably need more than 500 wipes to clear T9 with random people you find on the DF.

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4 or 5 wipes to something this easily fixed are definitely cause for being upset. They have less to do with the mechanics of the encounter and more to do with the person knowing what their own skills do. Would you be mad if your tank went in without Shield Oath/Defiance 4 or 5 times in a row? Hell, I'd probably kick them after 2.

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Originally Posted by Mishini_Dracoto

I haven't levelled NIN, but I fail to see how running the wrong buff on 1 DPS class would wipe even Levi Ex. One DPS isn't that important.

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They are if they're stunning the crap out of the caster add, which only serves to build up its stun resistance and prevents the Paladin from locking it. Hysteria on the entire party isn't exactly conducive to clearing Levi EX.

@ OP - Honestly, if someone doesn't answer me after several attempts in chat, I throw a few <se.1> in there. Since that's the sound that tells use, people will usually look at the chat box out of reflex at that point.

I don't know which is worse, the LolNIN or the guy who rages on "you people" because he met a bad player.

I find that adding a sound effect can knock people out of tunnel vision.

In my case on levi ex, 1single stun from dps wont be the end of the world.. It's true people or more to like dps who doesnt know the mechanic should just learn but in case both tanks are warriors, tanks might need to stun only dreadwash while letting dreadstorm casted on the ground.. There is a way to make things better rather than pointing people's mistakes, especially since i've seen tanks blaming melee dps due to "invulnerable to stun" during dreadstorm being casted more rather than random stun from dps..

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

if someone doesn't answer me after several attempts in chat, I throw a few <se.1> in there. Since that's the sound that tells use, people will usually look at the chat box out of reflex at that point.

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I don't get sounds playing based on commands like <se.1>. I'm not certain, but I think it's because I already have another sound configured for party chat (as well as another for FC/LS chat, plus the default one for tells). Even if you use "<se.1>" in party chat, I'll just hear the party chat sound, which overrides the sound you specified. (Ok, I guess that's not entirely relevant, since I'm still getting a notification of some kind telling me to check chat, but your mention of using <se.1> made me think of it.)

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Why would you engage again until . . . .QUOTE]

As a tank, runs take too long if you let players argue in between each pull. Especially since people rage at each other in the same way that the OP originally phrased his post. I don't want people to start a fight and rage quit, so I would rather just pull again.

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People will only argue when there's opinions. When it's about facts like "don't stun" or "gather up for heals when such and such happens", then it shouldn't cause an argument. In the op's case, it should be easy to force a reply out of the player in question before making the next try.