Is it to late ,Gil?

I honestly don't know how to make money in FF

I've been surviving off of materia sells and random quest gil and its other items that I want to acquire

I'm pretty much caught up on everything I've done all Ex primals and up to T13 , have all the mounts I want and what not so I have a bunch of free time.

I don't want to level any more jobs as Im content on healing only for the rest of my days and I have the two tanks leveled along with 3 dps so Im fine in my sort.


I want to make money though, I want to start a DoH but I don't know which one is more lucrative and which one will bring in the most money and also benefit myself by crafting.

Can you guys help me out ?

Which DoH or DoL is more lucrative and better first to invest in as I heard having all of them is the goal for any crafter....

Update:I've cleared T13 lol so Im pretty much caught up with everything

As far as my pitiful knowledge about DoH goes, you pretty much have to level all of them to 50 anyway if you're planning on making some serious money.

As for the first one, I think it's CRP due to its level 50 skill.

If you're willing to slog it out, I'd go with Miner. Assuming you don't do any high-end crafting, Clusters are pretty good source of gil. Just camp nodes all day long.

Although you'll need Botanist to at least 20 too, to unlock 3/6 of the elemental ward skills.

EDIT: You're on the same server as I am. I haven't followed the market recently, but Allagan Leather should still have some value - have a go at farming T4.

For crafting, you pretty much will have to level all to 50 if not up to just 15 for certain classes. Whichever class you want to start first is depends on which benefit you want first :
Carpenter has HQ finisher skill, HQ = more profit
Blacksmith has access to most other crafter tools so you can kickstart other classes with decent tools.
Armorer/Leatherworker/Weaver/Goldsmith lets you make gears that you can sell or spiritbond to make more materias.
Culinarian lets you cook stuff to sell, or prepare buff food for yourself and your future raids.
Alchemist not much but some of the mid tier materials like formulas and glues sells pretty high. Not sure in your server but I can make nice profit out of crafting stacks for those here.

For gathering, it's slightly more boring than crafting but you can earn steady money farming shards/crystal/clusters. Some crystals and raw materials can be sold for decent price but depends.

If you can level both disciples, you can start getting ehcatl sealants from the Ixali daily quests and sell them for a nice profit.
Hope this helps.

The 'poor man' method.

1. Pick any craft you think you'd like/would most benefit you. For example, you say you are happy only being a healer...maybe pick Weaver, Leatherworker or Goldsmith as your first craft so you can repair and meld your own gears as needed. Or Cook if you like to use food for raiding. Or even just pick a role you think 'gee, I'd not mind doing that'. The other option is to pick a role supported by a gathering class you'd be interested in leveling.

IE: Botany = CUL/WVR/CRP/ALC
Mining= GSM/BSM/ARM/LWR/ALC
Fishing=CUL/ALC/GSM

Anyway, once you pick your Crafter role, use crafting leves + Ixali dalies to level it. If all you do is 5-10 leves and your Ixali dalies each day, that's fine...sure you won't level fast, but it doesn't sound like you're in a super rush. Also, it's the power-leveling through crafting that costs a lot of gil...if you level crafting slow and steady, you'll not need to rely as much on purchased mats, and can likely farm them. Also, leves tend to drop the shards and crafting mats you need to progress+ give modest gil, so if you do them slow and steady, you can potentially cover your costs, if not even eek out a modest profit margin.

2. Look at the market boards EVERY day. You'd be surprised how many 'easy to obtain' low level-crafted/gathered (or farmed) items sell for surprising amounts. So you might notice one day, for some reason cotton cloth is selling for a nice profit margin. So craft some to sell (and level as you do). Another day, it might be a mat you can easily gather is selling for 2-3x it's normal value...sell it, go farm more for yourself.

3. Consider leveling a DOL to 50 before earnestly pushing your crafting to 50 (like start the Ixali dalies on a crafting class...but focus more on gathering beyond that). Here's why.
-DOL= free mats for you. (other than your time). Also, shards and crystals....that even if you don't actively gather, once you level a DOL, your Retainer, if the same DoL can gather for you if you desire (they can gather other mats for you as well).
-Again, some of the stuff that's gathered that sells well would surprise you...like you don't need to be level 50 in high-end gathering gear to make decent gil with it. Some items that are only a level 20ish gather sell fast, and high. I mean not 'you'll be rolling in millions in a week' high, but for the time/effort/gear and leveling effort involved, nice profit margins (in general, anything you can sell for 150gil ea+ in stacks of 99 is worth your time as a stack only takes 10-15 minutes to gather and 150x99=just shy of 15K for that time (IE about 1K a minute for your time). Also, mats tend to sell fast and are harder to be constantly undercut on....because people need to buy them in large quantities. (Like it typically takes 3 ores/3 logs for one ingot/lumber so one stack of ingots/lumber= 3 stacks of gathered mats needed to make it).

Now to level a DOL, the fastest (and again, it doesn't cost much) way is via your leves (which is why I suggested focusing on DOL over DOH first outside your ixali dalies as you only get so many leves). You can buy a lot of the gear you need cheaply from NPC's and/or get it as drops from leves...and sometimes you'll find it on the MB for decent costs. (Also your DOL quests will give you one body piece+ keep your tools upgraded). Leves give nice easy exp, and again, you'll get a small gil reward. Still, you can supplement your leves w/ actual mat gathering as you gain modest exp gains the 'first' time you discover a new gathered item AND like I said...if you can level, and gather on an item that is selling well by the stack, you can make some gil while leveling. (Win-win).

4. A gathering retainer. They are a pain in the butt to max-gear for the 'best' exploration ventures once you are 50, but they can be a nice, easy way to gain the mats you need for leveling crafting without actually having to spend your own time gathering. And if all you really want them for is to supplement your own mat gathering/shard gathering, then it's pretty easy to keep them geared (just give them your old gear when you outgrow it and you should be fine). The catch is they can only gather up to a certain level of item based on your gathering level (I forget but it's something like if you're level 25, your retainer can gather nodes up to level 20/gain experience from doing it up to that point). Also, they can only gather items you've personally gathered at least once. So if you want your retainer to gather a crap-ton of flax (which you will want them to do if you're leveling weaver). You'll personally need to have Botanist leveled to around level 30 (Flax is like a level 26ish gather), and your retainer will need to be leveled to btn gather 26...and you will have needed to at least once personally on your character have gathered 'flax'. (which if you're leveling weaver, you would have done).


5. To be a 'master' crafter, and/or to have a shot at reliably crafting things (esp HQ things), 1-star+, you will need to level multiple DOH's for cross skills. It's why they make the big bucks. That said, there is a lot of profit to be made (albiet by smaller margins), in lower end stuff/mats etc. Just always make sure to factor in your shard costs when figuring out your profit margins. However, becoming a Master Crafter is a serious gil and time investment....so I'd only do this once you find your own steady incomes from the DOH/DOL classes you already have leveled...or just plan on taking your time.

Is there a way to streamline Crafters...I mean I'm at 47 on my fisherman but it took no more than 2-3 days of actually trying at about 1-4 hrs

Personally start with miner. Ores, shards, crystals, and clusters sell very well.. They may not make a huge profit but they sell so fast. High end stuff may make higher profit margins sometimes but sells slower in most cases. Also higher level stuff is riskier to make and the cost to make them can be very high. It takes a huge commitment to be a high level crafter too..

Ok so you start out as miner and want a crafting job to go with it.. GSM is very good because you can make allot of the ores into ingots which also sell very fast. When I was lower level I would mine silver ore and put it up in smaller chunks of RQ and HQ ores and then I would make silver ingots and sell them too.. Between the ingots and ores I could not keep up because they sold so fast. ARM and Blacksmith also make ingots.

If you're in a rush there is no "Quick" method. I raised all classes simultaneously to 50 along with my gathering classes. This kept my material costs low. Save leves for crafting and do the slow grind on collecting materials. Daily supply and provisions help out tremendously. Provisions HQ with a star can sometimes net you a level just with the one turn in. It was slow to get them all up there and is just as slow to get them all melded but it is worth it imo. I can take something I find craft it and turn it around for real money.

Just get miner 50 - farm gold ore, darksteel ore & grade 3 thanalan soil. ( these will always be needed as ppl garden, need gold ore for aetheryte ring desynths/ rose gold cogs & darksteel nuggets etc. )
Then get gsm to sell easy to make yumizuno fishing tackle as it sells well but not much ppl care to look at it. But ppl still buy it for a decent amount of gil due to convenience.
Or weaver and just craft HQ crafting sets ( i.e velveteen, linen, hempen etc. ) they still sell decently due to ppl buying it for convenience.

If you are going to craft get everything to 15 before you start seriously leveling one or several.

But the people who are saying to level miner are correct. I'm 2 star crafting is all crafts yet most of my income is from mining.

You do not need to level all crafts to 50 or even 15. With just Goldsmith and Carpenter up to 2.4, I was able to make plenty.

To make money any time, in any MMO, you have to observe the market board/AH/Economy on each specific server. For starters, observe how much gil is flowing in each of the professions markets.

What may be profitable on one server may not be on another. The lack of goldsmiths on one server will make goldsmith profession goods, pricey and on high demand, while on servers with an overload of goldsmiths it will make their goods cheap and on low demand.

The only way to get an idea of what is happening on each server is that you take the time to look in to what your server sits around. Once you figure out whats happening, which profession you should choose will be pretty evident.

In summary, find the profession with the highest demand and highest gil flow on your server. Take it up. When the highest demand and gil flow changes, you change with it.

All my crafters are geared to 2.4 BiS 452/ 412/ 358 with 8 master book II, I am still broke as hell.

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All my crafters are geared to 2.4 BiS 452/ 412/ 358 with 8 master book II, I am still broke as hell.

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I wish I was BIS, I'd be able to stretch my arms further in to every single market.[Evil]AHAHAHAH! I would own every last gil!

I started crafting after 2.4 was released, every single gils i had and made went into gearing up my crafters. Last night I failed 32 times straight to meld +3 control to Artisan's offhand and it was 4th slot with 13% success rate. that was about 1.2 million gils went down the drain.

But on the other hand, I crafted Artisan's apron right after it, i meld 3 x +6 craftsmanship, +4 control, +3 cp to it without single fail. since I ran out of gils, I had no choice to put it on MB...>_<

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I started crafting after 2.4 was released, every single gils i had and made went into gearing up my crafters. Last night I failed 32 times straight to meld +3 control to Artisan's offhand and it was 4th slot with 13% success rate. that was about 1.2 million gils went down the drain.

But on the other hand, I crafted Artisan's apron right after it, i meld 3 x +6 craftsmanship, +4 control, +3 cp to it without single fail. since I ran out of gils, I had no choice to put it on MB...>_<

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Your other options : go farm gil and materials by running Duty Roulettes, completing challenge log etc. Buy materials with Soldiery & GC Seals, craft/sell, repeat until you're back up top. Sometimes money right now is the solution, sometimes patience is a better one.

Personally I make most of my gil spiritbonding. A single hour of Urth's Gift returns a net profit of roughly 1.5 - 2 million gil. Do it for 5 hours during a weekend, and roughly another 7.5 - 10 million gil is gained.

I craft a little on the side, but as someone who doesn't have the endgame crafting gear, the sale of crafted items doesn't even come close to the income I generate through the sale of materia. So if it's just money you're looking for, I'd consider SB'ing instead.

Im a little perplexed at how someone can be end game with all coil done, all the mounts and still havent figured out a way to make gil.

If you have zero crafts leveled, then I wouldnt bother with it. It will costs you millions and millions and many more millions to get all your crafts up, have all the expensive tools and gear and melds done and all the subcrafts done and all the masterbooks done. And when you finally have succeeded in doing all that, you will be competing for end game crafting with top crafters who all have 8 digits of gil on their names.

Hi, usually with crafting you first spend money leveling a crafter and later you can recover it selling goods. When you already are making money you make money as you go spending, but leveling always means spending money.

At high level crafting the gear and melds are a lot of money, but you will also be earning money too. It then becomes like a circle: you spend money on the crafters so you can earn money, that later you spend on the crafters, to be able to earn more, etc. You might as well keep earning money at your ilevel without entering the new highest level crafting and still make a lot of money. Except relic melds and housing, and crafted melded items for people who want the max gear at once, a lot of gil is not needed.

Now you have the Ixali quests that are very good to help you level a crafter. Once you can do the highest Ixali quests you obtain oaknots than can be exchanged for ehcatl sealants. They used to sell for 350.000 gil and now you can obtain one daily without much effort or time. I think you need one crafter a bit high to craft the items for the most difficult quests, but not all of them are difficult. If you already have one of high level, it helps a lot to level the lower ones since you can craft with the high one and deliver with the low level one.

You can start to make money before reaching level 50 (maybe 30 or less) and without having several crafters. But eventually you will want to have all crafters at least level 15 and bit by bit all to 50, for the cross-class skills.

To choose the first class I would look at what items are most demanded on your server, or you want more. Once you have one class at level 50 (or lower maybe) I would look at what cross-class skills you want sooner and level to 15 that class first. Eventually for the higher crafts you will want all to 50, but you don't need it to start earning money.

This site http://www.ffxivguild.com/ has nice information (maybe some exp rewards or items not updated) about leveling, levequests, etc.

In my case I have had times I spent a lot of time leveling a craft, then for a long time stay crafting just a bit daily (with just a bit daily you can save a lot of money in the long run) and doing other things, then I had spare time and leveled crafting again. For example, you end a step of the relic quest, are fed up of relic, and then craft a lot, later you get tired of crafting and work more on the relic quest, etc.

Looking at the market boards to see what sells quickly and at a good price is very important before deciding what to craft, this changes a lot. I didn't like the idea of crafting but started to craft when I leveled the BLM to obtain swiftcast, while I waited the queues (main PLD second WHM I wasn't used to waiting.) Then I enjoyed the crafts and continued to level them from time to time.

You will still need some cash for starting investment. If you are not craft,gathering or spirit bond you can still make gil by constantly doing roulette and running

if you do Ixali daily (to max rank 7) you will get 9 oaknots per day, you can trade it in to get ehcatl sealant which worth about 270k to 370k depends on server.

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Personally I make most of my gil spiritbonding. A single hour of Urth's Gift returns a net profit of roughly 1.5 - 2 million gil. Do it for 5 hours during a weekend, and roughly another 7.5 - 10 million gil is gained.

I craft a little on the side, but as someone who doesn't have the endgame crafting gear, the sale of crafted items doesn't even come close to the income I generate through the sale of materia. So if it's just money you're looking for, I'd consider SB'ing instead.

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What exactly do you spiritbond if I may ask? I used to do a bit of spiritbonding with i47-49 accsessories, but after converting like 15-20 sets and only getting one single crit IV I gave up. ^^

A lot of people buy the MorDhona vendor's gear and do those.

I make an iL 55 set of armor, the right side being L 50 crafting and / or gathering accessories. If I have any pink dungeon drops L 45 - 50 I will wear those. I have been thinking about making iL 70 combat accessories and running some patrician gear.

If you aren't crafting high level stuff (which to start you won't), it is all about volume, filling niches and diversity. You'd have to make HQ of various types (crafting tools, gathering tools, weapons, armor, etc - HQ). Don't make 10 of the same item. They'll sit on the broker a long time. They won't necessarily sell overnight. But if you keep up with your pricing, they'll sell.

To break into higher level crafting, you need to lay out a decent amount of gil. However, there have been some changes in easier-to-obtain crafting gear. It may be possible to only meld one set of i55 gear and then go after the new artisan gear (the gown, pattens, etc). However, I don't know if you can make the jump to 3-star gear from there with the artisan MH or not.

Low lvling gathering items are always hot sellers .... yes you have to sell more to gain more but just the other night on Malboro I made 1.2k selling it within 2 hrs with little effort :O

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I made 1.2k selling it within 2 hrs with little effort :O

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12,000 nice


I just hit Lv.50 CRP in like 2 days

I've been selling little knicks and knacks
is this a good priority for next leveling

GSM(while somewhat leveling miner)
WEV
BSM
ARM
CUL
AlCH

Am I missing important one and is my order alright ? I hear GSM is the real money maker as you can make alot of the end game acc,

It is not too late to start leveling your crafters. I started leveling my first DOH after 2.4.and i should be getting my second Lucis tonight.

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12,000 nice


I just hit Lv.50 CRP in like 2 days

I've been selling little knicks and knacks
is this a good priority for next leveling

GSM(while somewhat leveling miner)
WEV
BSM
ARM
CUL
AlCH

Am I missing important one and is my order alright ? I hear GSM is the real money maker as you can make alot of the end game acc,

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Cul can make a ton of gil with the higher level recipes.

He most likely spirit bonds i90 crafted gear. The red jewelry.

your supply line is where you are going to be ripped off the most for profits, as there are specific quests and recipes in general that require really inflated materials. To circumvent that, you will want at least one gatherer at 45. On each world, the economies are different, and every week, peek items of value change. What doesn't change is the need for gatherers and the need for frequently used base materials.

finished lumber, ingots, thread, and undyed cloth are a fast way to break your first million.
Lumber and thread will depend heavily on botanist, ingots on miner.

The idea that you have to hit 50 in all classes to make money is false. You can generally make money around level 25-35. To break that coveted 100 million mark though, I dunno, I never did, and I think you need 4 star crafting, which will require alot more than just 50 in 11 classes. like 30 million+ in gear and materia melds.

Even after hitting 50 in multiple classes, you still need a few million's worth of investment in melded gears to start making decent profits. But is it worth it? Yes it is.

Lately I've been cooking some 2-star CUL crafts for 10k+ profit per stack of 5, but only because I harvest my own clusters.

A simple way to become rich is to get your all crafting jobs to 50 and use a guide on how to craft 2 star mats like Darksteel Ingot, Vanya Silk and Treated Spruce Lumber make a macro and buy or farm the mats and you can easy make 40-50% back when sell thees on my server.

I also do gardening for a bit income sometimes a huge income when berry & fruits get low on the marked.

I am rich and own a medium personal house most of my gil come from crafting HQ mats I also craft HQ

Light Steel Galerus
Light Steel Subligar

They sell slow but I can easy make back 100k pr sell or more.

Getting them 3 and 4 star crafting jobs is cool but I bet you the cost for making the items is evening up the selling prize really fast.

How do u make that much? You are SBing lvl 40 gears which give Materia III mainly which last I checked aren't going to add up to your amount. Especially in 1.5 hours. Secret?

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If i were you, with Heavensward only 3 months away.. and who knows what's gonna keep you occupied once 2.55 drops, I'd just level GSM only. Forget everything else, just get GSM to level 50 and get yourself a full Goldsmith's set and the cheaper accessories (i.e. Aethryte Ring, Militia Wrist, just swap out the Rose Gold choker and mosshorn earrings for something a little more affordable) then start making hq spinel accessories for spiritbonding and sell the resulting materia.

Sounds like you already have experience selling materia from spiritbonding, you just need to streamline the process. You already have an advantage from having an i130 weapon (I assume)

That's what I'd do if I wanted to make some gil before Heavensward with your circumstances.

I don't know about your pace, but I imagine it would take around 2-3 weeks to get all your craft up to 50.. Then you need to spend a few million to get the gear up, then REALLY spend some money to get ready for 3-4 star crafting.. I don't see you turning a profit in less than a month, more likely 2 months. It is very viable in the long run, as you have a constant source of gil if you're a crafter.. Just not sure if it'd be worth it with Heavensward around the corner unless you want to go all-in.

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How do u make that much? You are SBing lvl 40 gears which give Materia III mainly which last I checked aren't going to add up to your amount. Especially in 1.5 hours. Secret?

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I bet his trade secret is the ilvl of the gear which he doesn't mention in his post.. Think lv 50 mobs are best for sb'ing ilv 40 gear not ilv 45-49 :)

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You're broke because you're spending money where it isn't necessary..

I don't have a single off hand melded because it's just not needed for anything.
If you have your lucis tool, which you SHOULD get before your off hand anyway your stats should be as follows.

472 crafts
426 control
352 CP.

All your offhand should have is 4 Control and 3 CP, but that's not even necessary so I decided to just save my money..
At 472 craftsmanship you're already at a softcap, next one it in the 500s and you won't decrease the number of synthesis steps by any. The one exception I've found to this so far has been the primal weapons.. But you can just use the FC buff for that to get to 482 craftsmanship and you will be able to craft with 1 step less but you wouldn't really be making primal weapons for money anyway.. nobody ever buys them :(



Another thing of note:

if you've spent 3m each on the off hands, or if you made them yourself, let's say 1.5m. That's already 12m gil for all the off hands MINIMUM.
You can actually craft up to 3 stars with lucis + militia. Or artisan + artisan off hand can do it too, with a bit of a food buff iirc.

Don't expect to make your money back on 4 star crafting, you can even skip the manual altogether if you'd like.. Point is, you need to stay lean to have some extra gil laying around.. So sorry to hear about your apron :( That must've been a tough decision to make.

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A lot of people buy the MorDhona vendor's gear and do those.

I make an iL 55 set of armor, the right side being L 50 crafting and / or gathering accessories. If I have any pink dungeon drops L 45 - 50 I will wear those. I have been thinking about making iL 70 combat accessories and running some patrician gear.

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Where do u SB tho?

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You're broke because you're spending money where it isn't necessary..

I don't have a single off hand melded because it's just not needed for anything.
472 crafts
426 control
352 CP.

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I see people with these budget builds and it blows my mind. Whenever they stop and talk to me, they are similar to you. Don't need it, do just fine. 90% HQ with all NQ Matts 4*

But I couldn't give up my 440 control. I have 2 "lean." And... it's just not as smooth. That little extra umph, is so nice and allows for sweet early endings. 9 stacks, let's be done!

Also, I want to throw this out there, Patricians + Lucis + fully melded off hand = dream.

Before lucis, I found 4* incredibly stressful, with this control build I can miss goods or fat finger ever once in a while and keep trucking to 100%. Without it, it was like one false step = doom. Psychologically, I want the wiggle room.

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Oh that's true.. I would certainly put more control on my off hand if I crafted more 4 stars..

But I can already hq 3 stars without problem and I just don't see much worth crafting in the 4 star department. Just not enough demand to make a business out of it.

But what I was referring to, is that she ended up risking 1.2m gil, and likely even more for the pentameld and for what? So she can make 3 artisan gear for herself and sell 1 or 2? It's just not worth the investment imo..

I do plan on pentamelding my offhands for CUL and ALC though, I think those have more uses. but not Craftsmanship, NEVER

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Also, I want to throw this out there, Patricians + Lucis + fully melded off hand = dream

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Btw, why Patrician's?? That's a very interesting progression path.. I've never considered that one before

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I hear you.

As to patricians gear, I sb it. So when I produce anything that's under 4* I wear my "gsm low level" set. (or which ever is appropriate)

I make six sets of Patricains and leave it in my armory at all times. If somethings bonded, I convert it and then use the hot key to put on a new set of clothes. It will automatically pull 0% sp bonded gear if the old gear is gone. It's pretty slick.

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I hear you.

As to patricians gear, I sb it. So when I produce anything that's under 4* I wear my "gsm low level" set. (or which ever is appropriate)

I make six sets of Patricains and leave it in my armory at all times. If somethings bonded, I convert it and then use the hot key to put on a new set of clothes. It will automatically pull 0% sp bonded gear if the old gear is gone. It's pretty slick.

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Ohhh I see.. that's a really good idea actually considering how much crafting I do for just the basic 1-2star mats..
The patrician's are still on 10% tier IV though right? Or is it a little higher?

This is what I did for my crafting "progression":

I started with GSM because I would like to be able to craft all the right-side on my own.

And then I realized that I needed to level everything up to lvl 15 anyways. I think, I went on next to WVR/LTW because I thought I'd like to be able to craft the left side + Careful Desynth skill. I got Alc to lvl 15 last because I wasn't aware of how good the ToT skill is and I probably would advice people to get CD I and ToT ASAP.

Once I got everything up to level 15, I continued leveling my GSM thinking I would want to make that my 'main' craft. But then, as Hasty Touch + SH I proved to be infuriating, I thought I'd make CUL 37 to be my first aim. At the same time, I wanted to be able to craft HQ on my own gears. I think, what that resulted in was that I had all my crafts steadily being leveled together up to level 30 (esp BSM, WVR, LTW and GSM) and that was when I power-leveled my CUL to level 37.