2.5 Crit/Det BiS?

A lot of the WoD pieces are crit/det, which is pretty much the best you could ask for in terms of raw healing and damage power. Problem is, they're all i120 and I haven't been able to find any proper stat weights for healers. The two sets I'm comparing are:

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/PC8C (WoD)

and

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/PC8E (Full i130)

The difference from the i130 to WoD is -15 mind, 57 crit, 39 det. Numbers will slightly vary depending on which stat you prefer to stack more of. That's almost 100 of our best substats in exchange for 15 main stat. I'm inclined to say "Worth it" but I'd like solid numbers to work with.

With the DET scaling with your gear , I weighed and tested around 3-4 DET= 1 MND so go with 4 DET=1 MND, so in all you're losing max around 6-7 points in MND, but gaining over 57 crit offsets that. My numbers may be wrong but this is from what I tested and played around with.

In all honesty I've come to the conclusion that SE geared majority of the WoD to be potential SCHs BiS hence all the DET gain ....with a melded i110 you could recover your VIT loss and probably overall lose about 10 MND but to add around 50-60 crit is will worth is imo

The net stat gains are not worth the HP loss for any meaningful current content.

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Originally Posted by Staris

The net stat gains are not worth the HP loss for any meaningful current content.

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Define "meaningful content," because I'm sitting in i120 gear and surviving in T13 just fine.

What is the overall tradeoff in piety?

I think you lose around 500 MP. I'm not too clear on PIE:MP scaling but I think that puts you somewhere between 4000-4500, 2.3 levels. The loss of MP is probably more impactful than the loss of HP but that's subjective, since each healer values MP (and uses it) differently.

It could very well be that the WoD gear isn't worth the tradeoffs but I'm just throwing this out here for thoughts. For raw power, it looks appealing.

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

Define "meaningful content," because I'm sitting in i120 gear and surviving in T13 just fine.

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The magic number is a tower +2 stacks for rage in phase 2. If you can survive that without dipping below 200hp then you are set. Any lower and you're taking risks. If you can't survive tower+rage after eating 2 orbs then you are making things harder for your group than need be. I honestly found that being robust enough to reliably survive bad RNG was more important than minmaxing my healing throughput. How far through T13 are you guys? (Assuming you haven't got the clear yet that is).

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

Define "meaningful content," because I'm sitting in i120 gear and surviving in T13 just fine.

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so....
when I first beat t13 it I was about i108? because of the i90 Accessories, for.... wait for it, More HP.

The HP was far more valuable than any healing stat could ever be.
Furthermore To do it as we now do, without dragon kick, pretty much requires a bit more HP to do so with near 100% reliability.

I still wear 1 accessory with near full i130 just to keep it at a 1 shot per week. (without dragon kick)

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Originally Posted by ZhycranaDranix

With the DET scaling with your gear

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Do you have any source ? DET isn't scaling with the gear.

I have run some numbers with BiS for white mage sets and found that, assuming 4 DET = 1 MND, a set maximizing this ratio between i130 or WoD gear (Testing 6) wasn't quite as good in healing as the full i130 set prioritizing DET (Max DET) but with Crit rate factored in does make a slight difference. This is assuming that the heal calculator from http://valk.dancing-mad.com/calculat...ng-calculator/ is correct and from the minimal testing I have done it seems to be. Here is the spreadsheet I made with my results:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing