Parrying. A suggestion!

Parrying is one of Marauders fun mechanics, allowing you to counter-attack with Fracture to prevent the enemy using weapon skills for a brief moment, similar to how the evasion mechanic works with pugilist. However, there is no clear indication when you character parries an attack. (There is an animation, but it's hard to see in the heat of battle and is usually cancelled out by other animations).

The only way i've been able to successfully use the parry mechanic is by watching for my Foresight buff to disappear, i've never been able to notice a natural parry.

My suggestion is - add a clear indicator to when your character parries an attack, much like pugilist's 3d combat text "Evade!" for when they evade an attack.

They don't have one of those for parry? Jeez I hadn't even realized.... We have ones for miss and evade, parry definitely should be in there too. +1

There is one....

15th or so picture down, 2nd one of the efts.
http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...entry?e=162112

6th or so picture down, 2nd one of the toads.
http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...entry?e=165506

I don't have any problem seeing this animation, and if you need an indicator, just watch for a zero or a number thats relatively lower than normal...? I thought FFXIV did this very well actually : \

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Originally Posted by Roaran

There is one....

15th or so picture down, 2nd one of the efts.
http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...entry?e=162112

6th or so picture down, 2nd one of the toads.
http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...entry?e=165506

I don't have any problem seeing this animation, and if you need an indicator, just watch for a zero or a number thats relatively lower than normal...? I thought FFXIV did this very well actually : \

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I think it was more along the lines of "Parry!" popping up like "Evade!" and "Miss!" do.

A parry indicator aside from the slight animation would be nice. The animation can easily be missed during battle or blocked by camera positioning or even the enemy itself in the case of large ones.

Agreed. +1

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Originally Posted by Roaran

There is one....

15th or so picture down, 2nd one of the efts.
http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...entry?e=162112

6th or so picture down, 2nd one of the toads.
http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...entry?e=165506

I don't have any problem seeing this animation, and if you need an indicator, just watch for a zero or a number thats relatively lower than normal...? I thought FFXIV did this very well actually : \

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Originally Posted by Archadius

I think it was more along the lines of "Parry!" popping up like "Evade!" and "Miss!" do.

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Pretty much this, It is very easy to miss the animation and the combat log can move much faster than you can read at times, especially in party play.

Well, there is, it pops up on your character as a 0 if you use foresight, and a much much smaller amount of damage normally. There are also chat log filters. I can understand it saying Parry if you take 0 damage, but for partial parries you'd need two displays for the damage taken and the fact that you parried.

I mean.... what your asking for is already in the game, there are two indicators as I mentioned already. You just don't want to take this information and use it? I'm not trying to be an asshole, I just don't understand the need to go to this next, redundant, level when all the information is already there.

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Originally Posted by Roaran

Well, there is, it pops up on your character as a 0 if you use foresight, and a much much smaller amount of damage normally. There are also chat log filters. I can understand it saying Parry if you take 0 damage, but for partial parries you'd need two displays for the damage taken and the fact that you parried.

I mean.... what your asking for is already in the game, there are two indicators as I mentioned already. You just don't want to take this information and use it? I'm not trying to be an asshole, I just don't understand the need to go to this next, redundant, level when all the information is already there.

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My point is the information is very easy to miss and not as clear as a successful evasion. I know the information is already there :

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Originally Posted by Totobi

It is very easy to miss the animation and the combat log can move much faster than you can read at times, especially in party play.

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Agreed on having the Parry indicator pop up UNLESS SE has unusable skills grayed out until the trigger conditions are met.

The main time I'm ready to use Fracture is after I use Foresight and waiting for that buff to drop off.

Partial parries sneak in there, as the OP said, the parry animation sometimes does not play properly.

I've resorted to a filtered battle log that tries to hone in on my defensive reactions: parries/blocks, partials, evade, and when just when the enemy misses. What party members do or what monsters have their way with my party is no longer a concern of this Battle Box!

I agree.
When tanking with GLA I would like to know the difference between when Deflection goes off and when Parry goes off. There has been times when I see a 0 and hit Phalanx but it was a Parry.

And as was said before, when parry does a partial reduction it makes it even harder to notice.

Well here's what I do, I only use one log set to filter out only other people's actions and attacks that are unsuccesful against me or my unsuccessful attacks. Everything else is left alone, and I'm basically left with my hits and enemy hits apart from the usual chat/system messages.

Now, this is enough for me, but it can be filtered even further if you still cannot manage that. Then I have a macro for fracture set for ALT+1, on my controller I use R2, and because it is set to my first slot and because I normally leave my cursor over that slot, all have have to do is hit R2+X and my fracture will go off.

Now, I NEVER pay attention to parries when I'm not tanking except for great buffalo where you can take some incidental parries. When a mob turns on me I use foresight and we're all ready for that first parry, so your particular greivance is only really applicable on partial parries. So when I'm tanking and foresight is down, I'm watching EITHER the chatlog, which states whether or not I have parried, OR the monster and my character, which displays BOTH an animation and a numbe relaying this information to me. Either way, the information is there, clearly visible and when I see this information my eyeballs send a message to my brain and my brain interprets the words "Partial Parry" or the animation of my character blocking or the clearly reduced damage to mean omg I have parried. THEN I hit R2+X.

Still not trying to be an asshole, but it is hard. At some point if you can't do this then maybe your eyes need checked, or maybe you'd rather have the game say, "PARRY.... PARRY.... PARRY" (Reminscent of those house of the dead games that kept telling you "RELOAD RELOAD RELOAD".

The only other point I can see is that you wan't it to say PARRY clearly, because you cannot interpret the already available information to come to this conclusion fast enough? I can understand that at least, I just hope SE would give us an option to not have multiple pieces of useless and redundant information.

The point is that evade and miss have visual word indicators that pop up on your screen, parry should have one too. It's not about the fact that you can interpret data from other areas to discern parry, it's about making it equal to other similar actions in terms of visibility.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

The point is that evade and miss have visual word indicators that pop up on your screen, parry should have one too. It's not about the fact that you can interpret data from other areas to discern parry, it's about making it equal to other similar actions in terms of visibility.

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Evade and miss have animations as well, so I think this makes sense. Unless of course SE decides to remove all occurrences of words popping up.

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Originally Posted by Roaran

Well here's what I do, I only use one log set to filter out only other people's actions and attacks that are unsuccesful against me or my unsuccessful attacks. Everything else is left alone, and I'm basically left with my hits and enemy hits apart from the usual chat/system messages.

Now, this is enough for me, but it can be filtered even further if you still cannot manage that. Then I have a macro for fracture set for ALT+1, on my controller I use R2, and because it is set to my first slot and because I normally leave my cursor over that slot, all have have to do is hit R2+X and my fracture will go off.

Now, I NEVER pay attention to parries when I'm not tanking except for great buffalo where you can take some incidental parries. When a mob turns on me I use foresight and we're all ready for that first parry, so your particular greivance is only really applicable on partial parries. So when I'm tanking and foresight is down, I'm watching EITHER the chatlog, which states whether or not I have parried, OR the monster and my character, which displays BOTH an animation and a numbe relaying this information to me. Either way, the information is there, clearly visible and when I see this information my eyeballs send a message to my brain and my brain interprets the words "Partial Parry" or the animation of my character blocking or the clearly reduced damage to mean omg I have parried. THEN I hit R2+X.

Still not trying to be an asshole, but it is hard. At some point if you can't do this then maybe your eyes need checked, or maybe you'd rather have the game say, "PARRY.... PARRY.... PARRY" (Reminscent of those house of the dead games that kept telling you "RELOAD RELOAD RELOAD".

The only other point I can see is that you wan't it to say PARRY clearly, because you cannot interpret the already available information to come to this conclusion fast enough? I can understand that at least, I just hope SE would give us an option to not have multiple pieces of useless and redundant information.

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Or they could simply give a visible indication instead of your roundabout solution to an inherent game flaw. Animations jam, and your solution is to just watch my chat log? Sorry I don't feel I should be required to read a chat log while playing a game to be effective.

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Originally Posted by Archadius

Evade and miss have animations as well, so I think this makes sense. Unless of course SE decides to remove all occurrences of words popping up.

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Which I don't think they would do considering that's one of the first things the new team created lol.

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Originally Posted by Seikninkuru

Or they could simply give a visible indication instead of your roundabout solution to an inherent game flaw. Animations jam, and your solution is to just watch my chat log? Sorry I don't feel I should be required to read a chat log while playing a game to be effective.

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Its not a roundabout solution lol.

When you look at Miss & Feint, ALL you have is the fact that you SEE "miss!" and no damage or any flinching on the monster's part.

When you look at Evade & Haymaker, the ONLY difference, from parry and fracture, is you see WORDS that give you the direct meaning of what just took place.

So it all boils down to WORDS. When you see the words EVADE, I'm assuming you have no trouble understanding what just happened. Either from the combat log OR on the characters themselves.

In parries case, there are no words, but instead numbers. (Chat log clearly says parry, so there really is no argument to change parry in this case unless you are suggesting a change to evade and miss as well)

You see a 0 with foresight, and a reduced number for partial parries. The only possible problem that could happen, is being unable to differentiate the smaller from bigger numbers. (This is not combat log related btw, this is all displayed on the character when you take damage).

I never really watch the combat log though, I just merely said that option is available if you cannot interpret the data already available, and I even said that I don't mind if you guys get a parry display option. But, if we go this route, there's lots of really redundant useless information we could have pop up on the screen, this is just one of them.

Edit: I'd just like to add it's not a game flaw either, it's an effective means of displaying all the information necessary without having useless and redundant information popping up (Now I'm being redundant!)

It's not redundant and useless though. Clearly the dev team saw fit to display miss and evade despite having the same types of indicators parry does.

Personally, the battle text is not one of my primary text logs. I don't want to be forced to designate one of them just for parry, that's ridiculous IMO. Also as others have stated, the animations do sometimes jam or not display resulting in no indication of a parry.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

It's not redundant and useless though. Clearly the dev team saw fit to display miss and evade despite having the same types of indicators parry does.

Personally, the battle text is not one of my primary text logs. I don't want to be forced to designate one of them just for parry, that's ridiculous IMO. Also as others have stated, the animations do sometimes jam or not display resulting in no indication of a parry.

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Imagine this scenario. You have steadfast up and you partially parry an attack.

It will say something along the lines of, "You have partially parried the attack and take 100 damage" in the chatlog.

On your character it will play the parry animation, I agree that it sometimes does not play, so the game displays on your character the 100 damage. In the course of the fight, you have been taking 200 damage normally, so a 100 dmg hit would obv be a parry.

Now let's say we add a parry indicator like evade and miss. On your character it will display a "100" and a "Parry!"

First, you could already know that you just parried the attack with the 100. Therefore, the parry message would be redundant.

Secondly, the parry message would offer no other additional information and would have no use. Therefore, the parry message would be useless.

Now, I acknowledge some people have trouble differentiating small numbers from big numbers, so, all I ask is, if this becomes a necessary object for some people, that the rest of us please have an option to turn it off. Because for some of us, it is entirely useless and redundant.

The parry message isn't useless though as it tells you explicitly when you parry. Are you saying the evade message is useless also since it appears in the chatlog, there's an animation for it and you take no damage? I'm just asking for it to be put on the same visual level as other similar abilities.

The whole point of floating combat text is to display the most important information without having to read a chat log while you are trying to fight, i feel parry is important information just like an evade is and would like it displayed as such.

Don't know if anyone has already mentioned it, but I assume one reason why they didn't put in a "Parry" on screen message is because unlike "Evade" and "Miss" they avoid all damage, where as you can parry and still receive damage.

So I guess it would have to show both the damage and the parry message at the same time, which may be a totally new program they would have to put in to the game's mechanics.

I'm not sure it would be all that intensive to change. I mean they've already got the system set up for showing the 3D battle text, as well as multiple messages at once (your damage, damage both to and from every single enemy engaged, misses/evades, etc...) which can happen simultaneously. Having the word Parry show up above the number doesn't seem like it would be all that difficult to add considering they've already got the condition for damage to show up when parried.